Lightning Strike Multistrike Bugfix Incoming

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kossuvissy a écrit :

Must sell my 20% LS gem today, fast.

After this "patch", its worth maybe 1chaos.

I saw a bunch of LS 20% quals in trade channel today. I *almost* bought one. I was like, WTH are they selling them so cheap?? I came a hair away from getting a 20% multistrike for 2 exalts. I'd be QQ right now if I bought them.

I need to check the forums more often..

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Charan a écrit :

It's a bug because Lightning Strike interacts with a melee-specific skill that clearly reduces all outgoing damage as a price for 3 consecutive attacks. This is no nerf.

I have edited your title to reflect this.

I really wouldn't call it a bugfix since everything is working as it should within the rules of the game. Here is a quote from Kripparian that explains it better:

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Kripparian a écrit :

Just to be clear: the interaction between lightning strike and multi strike is NOT "bugged". It works absolutely as the wording indicates it should. The NERF (not fix) is a result of the ability scaling too well from 1 support gem. I think it is a bad idea to nerf it at all because the LS+MS combo really isnt any more powerful than abilities that already exist in the game.

Source: http://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1ciink/lightning_strike_multistrike_nerf_incoming/c9h9ocg

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Mastodonic a écrit :

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f0xx a écrit :

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Angryweasel a écrit :

Because physical is also used on ranged weapons like bows and wands :)

That's not the point.

With this change, they show that when it comes to nerfing damage they treat the LS damage as conversion from melee physical damage, since it gets affected by the 40% less melee damage debuff.

When it comes to boosting though, they treat them separately and str nodes don't improve the damage of the projectiles?

This is a good point and exhibits double standards on GGGs part. The projectiles already suffer a 30% damage penalty for being projectiles. Now they want to apply a 40% further penalty to the projectiles as though they're a melee attack, but don't want to apply the str bonus of a melee attack inherently to the projectiles.

this, and why i dropped this game months ago

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Tyronis3 a écrit :

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Charan a écrit :

It's a bug because Lightning Strike interacts with a melee-specific skill that clearly reduces all outgoing damage as a price for 3 consecutive attacks. This is no nerf.

I have edited your title to reflect this.

I really wouldn't call it a bugfix since everything is working as it should within the rules of the game. Here is a quote from Kripparian that explains it better:

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Kripparian a écrit :

Just to be clear: the interaction between lightning strike and multi strike is NOT "bugged". It works absolutely as the wording indicates it should. The NERF (not fix) is a result of the ability scaling too well from 1 support gem. I think it is a bad idea to nerf it at all because the LS+MS combo really isnt any more powerful than abilities that already exist in the game.

Source: http://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1ciink/lightning_strike_multistrike_nerf_incoming/c9h9ocg

You seem not to understand that GGG has no idea how to fix melee, coz this force them to rework whole defensive mechanics... Thats why they want to force ppl to play only possible way for current system.
If you make many updates and game from unbalanced becomes totally unbalanced then something went wrong ;)
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Bash from fangayboys.

Made it to lvl 75 on my LS, time to bury it apparently :'(

Indeed, how about nerfing the bloody duel totem witches andmost of the other common ranged builds...fuck this game...you want to make melee competitive yet you go and nerf us while leaving the most OP builds alone.

Why do people not understand the concept that hitting more targets/hit more often should always come with the trade-off of doing less damage per hit?

According to the multistrike = crap because it decreases damage logic, LMP and GMP are crap too!

Dont use this multistrike gem on ure dueller, it makes him exercise so much that he turns into a ranger.

(buff for melee should be across the board, not on one skill disabling all melee builds except one, i wont argue ranged has more OP skills, but i would prefer melee ended up with a couple instead of one)

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Boem a écrit :

Dont use this multistrike gem on ure dueller, it makes him exercise so much that he turns into a ranger.

(buff for melee should be across the board, not on one skill disabling all melee builds except one, i wont argue ranged has more OP skills, but i would prefer melee ended up with a couple instead of one)

Nerfing this build just removes one viable Melee build for endgame. GGG needs to buff up other Melee skills so that they can also be viable, not nerf the outstanding ones.

actully melee can gain insane dps as well, but the cost is dire, you aint able to face tank more then 1/2 hits,(if you dont die duo to crits) or other things,

a good point tho, my char has a stackering of 82 all res, 13.7k armor, 3.2khp(2.95k with aruas) this is with a 2man party set up remind you

still dies on le 4 hit from most rares/bosses, (even 2 hits sometimes LAO LAO)

9.2k armor solo its nearly the same,(well lots worse actully) alot of rares can actully still 3/4 hit me in city of sarn, (Not to talk about prepre as we call him)

my dps with lighting strike arent really maxed out yet, since i lack (3nodes) of ele dmg and still got items with half the hp possible, but still most of stuff have 80+ hp,

even with 30% reduced dmg from Ls, and 40% melee reduction from Ms, im at a total of 4.8k dps.

and thats with items that dont come cheap, i mean expansive as hell !, the only thing the actully made my char duoable, is LG and FA, combo'd with a dual ele fanzy foil rapier 2.13 aps otherwise i would die to everybloody thing without kiting them.


ive mini/maxed out every possible way of making my char, both defensive/offensive(Ele wise).

there is simply no way for me to make dup with another 40% reducetion in dps, i already suffer a clean 30% overroll from Ls and 40% melee From Ms(This already have made me suffer the remaining of my phy dmg, and actully doing next to nothing but pure ele dmg). (Side note ele Ls users wont gain noticable dmg from str, and iron grips doesnt help there either or work, hell if i care.



Edit to the last poster, alot of Builds are actully far far far head of LS/MS combo, i cant even think of a reason to nerf the projectile dmg as well on Ls with Ms, i mean we have 15k+ dps Crit dagger users (40k when critting), we have 25k+ witch spikers, we have 10k+ La users (all of whom, have more hp/res then my build, but only able to cap around 5k armor) what the hell is up with that, WHY NOT Nerf those instead, !