Are Stash Tabs Pay To Win ? Science

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VictorDoom a écrit :

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Veruski a écrit :

over the years as well.

has been playing for 3 months....

Lol

I've been around not as long as you but quite a long time.

i've actually mapped with you before, back in Hardcore ;)

and yes, you can do anything without stash tabs that you can with....ASsumign you are OK spending extra time doing it!

which is what makes them a form of p2w (albeit a minor one)

No.

People need to get over what they think they are entitled to in a free game.
Stash tabs do not effect balance, DPS, health or performance or the core game.

Paying to have your account more convenient for you is not P2W.
Just because the game is free does not mean you are entitled to everything.

Clearly the ones that feel left out are eager and willing to jump on the P2W train.

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RootCookie a écrit :

Stash tabs do not effect balance, DPS, health or performance or the core game.

Blatantly false. Of course they effect the core game. That's why people buy them. They give you more space in your stash, which is a core feature of the game.

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Veruski a écrit :

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VictorDoom a écrit :

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Veruski a écrit :

over the years as well.

has been playing for 3 months....

Lol

I've been around not as long as you but quite a long time.

i've actually mapped with you before, back in Hardcore ;)

and yes, you can do anything without stash tabs that you can with....ASsumign you are OK spending extra time doing it!

which is what makes them a form of p2w (albeit a minor one)

And the extra 5 minutes it takes to create a new account purely for stashing is p2w? If someone wants to save money by creating an alt account just for stashing purposes they are allowed to. Running 2 clients on the same PC is allowed and you have a total of 8 tabs and lets say 38 inventories to fill (assuming you have 10 chars you play) in around 5 minutes. Or you can pay like 20$ and get them in 10 seconds

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Veruski a écrit :

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RootCookie a écrit :

Stash tabs do not effect balance, DPS, health or performance or the core game.

Blatantly false. Of course they effect the core game. That's why people buy them. They give you more space in your stash, which is a core feature of the game.

The only thing buying tabs does is that you have a few more tabs filled with shit items that you can't be bothered to vendor. And i know this cause i bought a lot of stash tabs when OB hit, from 35 tabs around 10 have items in them,i can put all the items that are worth selling to people in 1-2 tabs, which i did in ambush. The rest i should vendor for alts but im lazy.

P2W is that garena micro that resets your skill tree, xp bonuses, items, not a feature that saves you roughly 5-10 minutes depending on your PC and connection.

OP states that having more space to store more crap for orb recipes makes stash tabs P2W. That is complete nonsense. When I collect crap for chaos orbs and such, it's always the rings and amulets that hold up cashing in the sets. You don't even need more than one stash tab to hold several sets at once ready to cash in. Vendor the overflow of all the other items that you always have more than enough of while completing the incomplete sets as you get more rings and amulets. It is completely unnecessary to hoard all the overflow while collecting all the rings and amulets you need. Stop for a few minutes when you're ready and cash in what you have, and then refill your ONE fvcking stash tab used for this purpose. The argument that more stash tabs used for this purpose leads to the stash tabs being P2W is FVCKING RETARDED.

I like to look at it this way:

How much time do the extra stash tabs save? (Let alone the hassle which they remove)
The answer would be X based on the law of averages which would've been taken from a month period, which means, summarizing the difference in time spent on doing stuff with and without tabs.
When we get that X amount of time which is saved for the sake of convenience (which is also a silly thing, in a hardcore game you can ease up the annoying things, while tons of other stuff that are here just to consume time through clicking, etc. - examples: no inventory/stash automatized sorting, applying each orb individually, etc.).
We use that X and we introduce a new MTX convenience option, you can buy Orbs of Alchemy based on the X.
In the X time period, how many alchemy orbs drop on average? Y? Lets find a price for that. Then, you can buy Y amount of alchemy orbs for Z amount of MTX points.

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VictorDoom a écrit :

P2W is that garena micro that resets your skill tree, xp bonuses, items, not a feature that saves you roughly 5-10 minutes depending on your PC and connection.

p2w is being able to purchase in-game advantages with IRL $

that's all it is. if you see somebody with a complex explanation, they will almost surely be using their explanation as a way to justify certain advantageous microtransactions

to really nail the point home: people will pay quite a lot of exalts to shave a few minutes off their map time, usually in the form of DPS upgrades

why do some people think that a time advantage doesn't matter in one context, but is worth 100+ exalts in another context?

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Veruski a écrit :

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VictorDoom a écrit :

P2W is that garena micro that resets your skill tree, xp bonuses, items, not a feature that saves you roughly 5-10 minutes depending on your PC and connection.

p2w is being able to purchase in-game advantages with IRL $

that's all it is. if you see somebody with a complex explanation, they will almost surely be using their explanation as a way to justify certain advantageous microtransactions

to really nail the point home: people will pay quite a lot of exalts to shave a few minutes off their map time, usually in the form of DPS upgrades

why do some people think that a time advantage doesn't matter in one context, but is worth 100+ exalts in another context?

My explaining wasnt complicated at all.

And im justifying what exactly?

I was one of the richest people in closed beta, with 4 tabs, in the ladder when they added maps.

The wipe after that i was #1 in ladder, with 4 tabs. In the ladder before that, Grits was #1, with 4 tabs, and he STILL has 4 tabs and is a lot richer than me (maybe should have stayed at 4 lol)

I also never used mule chars for filling their inventories or alt accounts, i literally just used the 4 tabs i had, grits did the same. Because were both lazy.

If i and others did this then anyone else can do it, honestly man, it makes NO difference.
Keep only what you can sell for sure, sell it fast, vendor the rest, youll be as rich or even richer than anyone else because you sell your shit faster.

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VictorDoom a écrit :

I was one of the richest people in closed beta, with 4 tabs, in the ladder when they added maps.

The wipe after that i was #1 in ladder, with 4 tabs. In the ladder before Grits was #1, with 4 tabs, and he STILL has 4 tabs and is a lot richer than me (maybe should have stayed at 4 lol)

will never happen again.

part of the reason this happened is that players are just so much better now than they were at this game.

competition in closed beta was anything but steep. you will never see a player get #1 running on 4 tabs again.

closed beta = players had less understanding of the game, less skill, and less players overall.

basically, way less competition on every level.

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VictorDoom a écrit :

I also never used mule chars for filling their inventories or alt accounts, i literally just used the 4 tabs i had, grits did the same. Because were both lazy.

If i and others did this then anyone else can do it, honestly man, it makes NO difference.

It makes a difference from my experience. i have an account with a lot of tabs, and i have this account, which has none.

my explanation for playing this way is in this thread, way back, but my conclusion is that it is definitely a disadvantage - overall.

a massive one? no. but it's there.

(it's literally impossible for it to make "no difference" -- nobody would buy it otherwise. it explicitly changes the configuration of your Stash, located in the town. )

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Veruski a écrit :

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VictorDoom a écrit :

I was one of the richest people in closed beta, with 4 tabs, in the ladder when they added maps.

The wipe after that i was #1 in ladder, with 4 tabs. In the ladder before Grits was #1, with 4 tabs, and he STILL has 4 tabs and is a lot richer than me (maybe should have stayed at 4 lol)

will never happen again.

part of the reason this happened is that players are just so much better now than they were at this game.

competition in closed beta was anything but steep. you will never see a player get #1 running on 4 tabs again.

closed beta = players had less understanding of the game, less skill, and less players overall.

basically, way less competition on every level.

No it wont with that attitude, get all of your good items now that you can sell for a decent price and the ones you want to keep and slap them in your stash tabs, i bet you it wont be more than 4. Its the same if i do it, ill probably have one spare.

Utter bollocks, in that ladder there was a 1month race going on, you have no idea how the competition was in top 20, every single map counted, every orb. Same with the 1 week Turbo race after that, from my knowledge most of top 20 had 4 tabs, and that race was insanely competitive, me and mouze took a week off work and i got spot 7 and he got spot 3, we played almost all day.

Players had the same understanding, they were still snapshotting (altough no one was flipping their tits back then cause of it),abusing mechanics, they still had insane builds, some of them are better than what you see now.

There were less players yes, which meant getting rich and finding decent items was harder, but we still did it. Most of the time you had to craft your own shit, that took a lot of currency. You still had to spend 1-2k fusings to get a 6l and a fuckload of exalts to get something good, oh and remember there were no eternals back then? yeah.

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Veruski a écrit :

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VictorDoom a écrit :

I also never used mule chars for filling their inventories or alt accounts, i literally just used the 4 tabs i had, grits did the same. Because were both lazy.

If i and others did this then anyone else can do it, honestly man, it makes NO difference.

It makes a profound difference from my experience. i have an account with a lot of tabs, and i have this account, which has none.

my explanation for playing this way is in this thread, way back, but my conclusion is that it is definitely a disadvantage - overall.

a massive one? no. but it's there.

I havent noticed any difference since i bought tabs, actually its more annoying for me with tabs cause im messy and never arrange them so i cant find the stuff i want to find.

Honestly dude, its the same shit, ive played and went to the top with 4 tabs like many other people, with our without them if you know what to sell and for how much, what to keep and what to vendor youre in the same spot as anyone else.