Are Stash Tabs Pay To Win ? Science

If every account came with 100 stash tabs, the same people would be at the top of the ladder. Some of the middle people might even drop down, not because lower people caught up because they have more stash tabs, but because instead of playing efficiently they are spending a lot more time fiddling with their stashes.

Players can get into Cruel in a solo 3 hour race. I bet you a million bucks they aren't spending much time at their stashes. Efficiency > Storage.

"Having more instantly available storage space is bad for business."

-Said nobody ever


It's like you guys are arguing that it's bad, because the business could be managed by a moron who would fill up his space with useless things.

Maybe the reason you guys are concluding incorrect things is that you are framing it in overly complicated, bullshitty ways.

Having more space is an advantage. Period.

Here's the crux of your argument: any advantage can be portrayed as bad if you frame it from the PoV of a moron who is throwing the advantage away, or worse yet -- actively turning it into a disadvantage.

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Veruski a écrit :

Having more space is an advantage. Period.

and this is the point I keep calling Bullshit on. It's not absolute. Have you ever heard of anybody who moved into a smaller home? Maybe grandma after all her kids are grown? More space is not an absolute advantage. It's not in real life and it's not in a game. More space absolutely takes more time and effort to maintain. Do you deny this? I've read your arguments. You haven't convinced me. And saying the only people who aren't getting an advantage are morons is moronic in itself. You value space above time. Some people value time above space. That is true in real life as well as in a game. Why do you insist that time has no value? If it has no value, then how can you argue muling is a disadvantage because it takes more time and effort? Or is your argument that time has value when comparing stash tabs to muling but no value when comparing more tabs with fewer tabs?

unlike real life unused space in PoE doesn't need to be cleaned, kept up with, and it isn't taxed.

so your argument is pretty crap.

if you didn't want to use the extra space you could just...not use it. there's no disadvantage. there's only advantage.

your fallacious/incorrect argument is something like:

"having 100 tabs filled with garbage is worse than 4 tabs filled with garbage"

Well, who filled it up with garbage? what a terrible argument.

I'm going to repeat myself, because I don't think you caught what I said, or what you are doing:

Here's the crux of your argument: ANY advantage can be portrayed as bad if you frame it from the PoV of a moron who is throwing the advantage away, or worse yet -- actively turning it into a disadvantage.

^ Actually it is a terrible analogy because it is not that it is hard (or much harder) to clean a larger house but rather that a larger house when empty reminds them that their kids have grown up and left the house... what we call empty nest syndrome.


Sort of like how staring at 1 full and 99 empty tabs knowing you are broke is a much worse feeling then staring at 3 empty tabs and 1 full one is.


edit - Even with sitting at a few hundred tabs spread across all the leagues totaled through a main account and multiple alt accounts I know exactly what I have, what I'm doing with it and where it is located at all times down to where in the tab it was placed. Its really not as hard to remember where stuff is as people seem to like making it out to be.

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I bought stash tabs, but I still ain't winning much! I want a refund!

Since when was the chaos recipe winning? I could understand if there was a recipe for exalted orbs, but chaos orbs? Really? Even if you had 50 stash tabs, you would generally only use one for chaos recipe.

Also, GGG made muling so easy in this game.

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Veruski a écrit :

unlike real life unused space in PoE doesn't need to be cleaned, kept up with, and it isn't taxed.

so your argument is pretty crap.

I never said anything about taxes or anything you are trying to include in my statement to try to dilute the argument. I was talking solely about maintaining. Are you saying you just put items in your stash and leave them there? If you do not, then you are keeping it up. You just are. That takes an amount of time. It has to. There is no possible way that it can't. You are putting more stuff in and taking more stuff out. It might be a negligible amount of time. But it is time nonetheless.

And Jiero, that's not why my grandparents' downsized. They did it because it was absolutely irrefutable more work to maintain/keep up a bigger house than they needed. Maybe you lament your kids leaving you all alone in a big empty house, but in my family, the kids still visited regularly. Not everybody is sad that their kids left. Many people enjoy that "empty nest".

I've got plenty of money to buy a bigger house. But ya know what? I don't need one. I don't need a bigger lawn to mow. I don't need more rooms to dust. It's not about money. It's about time and effort. Plain and simple.

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mark1030 a écrit :

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Veruski a écrit :

unlike real life unused space in PoE doesn't need to be cleaned, kept up with, and it isn't taxed.

so your argument is pretty crap.

I never said anything about taxes or anything you are trying to include in my statement to try to dilute the argument. I was talking solely about maintaining. Are you saying you just put items in your stash and leave them there?

You are misquoting and misconstruing my counter.

I bolded the incredibly important word that was part of a sentence that you quoted.

So yes, I don't spend any time maintaining empty stash tabs.

You said more stash tabs necessitates more maintenance. That isn't true. You could simply not put items in them. Argument rebuffed.

That's still a broken argument.

Stash tabs can be used to gain efficiency. There is a real benefit in being able to have all your items in one place and not require the time spent muling items (logging in and out of accounts and multi-clienting). Why does anyone think that this is not true?

By that definition of P2W, buying exalted orbs in the shop isn't 'truly' P2W because people can potentially not use them. The buyers just want them sitting in their stash to feel rich. It's also a bit of a downside since they have to scroll past all their pages full of exalts to get to their actual items.

Veruski's counterargument still stands (with unneeded emotional words redacted by me):

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Veruski a écrit :

ANY advantage can be portrayed as bad if you frame it from the PoV of [someone] who is throwing the advantage away, or worse yet -- actively turning it into a disadvantage.