Are Stash Tabs Pay To Win ? Science

yes, because if its bad for you its bad for everyone right? You may not be here for my amusement but that's def a side effect of your scattered and angry postings. :)

Everything is Fine. L2P.

So John,

So back to your equal footing argument before I see. Problem with that is most players don't fit under the equal footing argument. So I can only really compare my experiences and observations with my hardware and what I have seen from other players (streamers)


No one has told me how stash tabs are p2w or are a p2w element, simply stating they are an advantage isn't enough because of the counter arrangements I have made in the past. As for storing more loot, I can pick up everything that drops from docks, but do I no, because most of the stuff is pointless, having additional stash space to store that stuff is pointless.

Just because you might have a toaster and don't have the ability to run 2 clients at once, doesn't mean that most people can't.


One thing we all need to keep in mind is not many games even give you the option to have extra stash space, this game gives you many ways (some which are free), buy stash tabs, guild tabs, mule stuff on alt characters, mule stuff on alt accounts. The amount of options are not limited, which take an element that you can pay for available for free.

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goetzjam a écrit :

Just because you might have a toaster and don't have the ability to run 2 clients at once, doesn't mean that most people can't.

true, but it defines a spectrum:
from two guys who each have a toaster - in which case one can do something the other strictly can't - to two guys with strong hardware, in which case the other guy still has to set up an alternate account, have a character ready at least in Lioneye's Watch, and log into it + set up a party with the main account, every single time he wants to transfer something.
a time and effort advantage that adds up.

and that's only one example of an advantage.

so as you can see, an advantage is an advantage.
from "minor inconvenience" - in case the "other guy" is Slayer with a super-computer and an SSD capable of running 2^64 clients at a time and logging into the game in 10 seconds - all the way to the huge advantage of actually being able to do something others can't.

your observations with your hardware alone, or my observations with my hardware alone, aren't enough to see the full spectrum. but that doesn't deny its obvious existence.
and Streamers are an indication to precisely nothing.

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One thing we all need to keep in mind is not many games even give you the option to have extra stash space

common mistake right there. we aren't talking about what other games do or don't. and we aren't even talking about Path Of Exile as a whole - which I think I made my opinion quite clear isn't a P2W game.
we are talking about Extra Stash Tabs. which are - as a fact - advantage, and are - in my opinion - a P2W feature.

@Jackel, I hope that answers your post as well.
I'm not arguing about semantics. I'm arguing concepts, facts and opinions.

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true, but it defines a spectrum:
from two guys who each have a toaster - in which case one can do something the other strictly can't - to two guys with strong hardware, in which case the other guy still has to set up an alternate account, have a character ready at least in Lioneye's Watch, and log into it + set up a party with the main account, every single time he wants to transfer something.
a time and effort advantage that adds up.

Ok so these same people that have the advantage of loading into instances quicker also have the better ability to load up mule accounts, that something they paid for outside the game that gives them an advantage. Whether or not your toaster can do it isn't my problem when it comes to discussing the positives and negatives of the alternative ways to store gear.

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and that's only one example of an advantage.

You are seriously going to tell me that the 30 seconds it takes to load up another account really gives an advantage to the player that doesn't have to load up another character? I mean if this was a week race or something similar sure that time would matter, but over the whole course of someones poe playtime that won't add up to anything significant.

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so as you can see, an advantage is an advantage.
from "minor inconvenience" - in case the "other guy" is Slayer with a super-computer and an SSD capable of running 2^64 clients at a time and logging into the game in 10 seconds - all the way to the huge advantage of actually being able to do something others can't.

Definition of advantage, in case you may have forgotten:

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a condition or circumstance that puts one in a favorable or superior position.

I don't interpret this as a superior position because we simply don't have any data to prove that having to switch accounts to mule some items gives any advantage, pure speculation isn't enough to mark it down as fact, you must have hard data for it to be FACT.

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your observations with your hardware alone, or my observations with my hardware alone, aren't enough to see the full spectrum. but that doesn't deny its obvious existence.
and Streamers are an indication to precisely nothing.

Ok so if my observation and your observation means nothing in regards to the spectrum then us discussing this further is pointless as neither of us have enough data to prove the other correct\incorrect.

As for streamers they might not prove anything, because they have above average machines and typically buy supporter packs to support the game.

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common mistake right there. we aren't talking about what other games do or don't. and we aren't even talking about Path Of Exile as a whole - which I think I made my opinion quite clear isn't a P2W game.
we are talking about Extra Stash Tabs. which are - as a fact - advantage, and are - in my opinion - a P2W feature.

Not a common mistake, you must take all of the information provided to you to make a judgement, simply putting things into your context in order to try and make a point isn't a valid way to get people to agree with you.

We know PoE isn't P2W, so if the game isn't P2W it doesn't have any P2W elements in it, otherwise it would technically be p2w, right?

If we are talking about your opinion which is that extra stash tabs (a feature which all players can get for free) provides an advantage and that you can purchase them means its a p2w feature. Then I will agree to let you have that opinion, however don't try to state it as fact, because it isn't you have to have data to back up your opinion in order for others to accept it as fact.

Also johnkeys, you said before you don't support purchasing stash tabs, yet you use guild tabs, would love to hear how those are different to you.

It's a theoretical advantage, but one which is negligible in practice. We're talking about a minute or so at max every time you need to mule, which probably is once every couple of days. And as I said before, having many stash tabs can have the opposite effect where you end up wasting time sorting through useless shit because you tend to hoard more simply because you can. All in all the p2w claimers are grasping at straws really hard, I guess some people always need something to bitch about else they ain't happy :P

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Xavderion a écrit :

I guess some people always need something to bitch about else they ain't happy :P

Pretty much this. I mean the title of the thread isn't even correct.