Are Stash Tabs Pay To Win ? Science

For me, Stash Tabs are not p2w on a character level (no power efficiency) but I consider them p2w on a account level (time efficiency).

It's clearly not cosmetic only, but I don't care because:
1) it's really really low on the p2w scale.
2) there are things that can increase your time efficiency way more than stash tabs.

I've always found limited stash space stupid so being able to waste my GGGGold on more stash tab was one of the main reason I supported.

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johnKeys a écrit :

the point is, tabs can range from minor convenience/advantage in your super-computer case, to full-blown P2W in my "medieval toaster" one, or anything in between.
I think that's the "spectrum" Veruski mentioned, without getting into the whole psychological things in his post.

but they are - without a shadow of a doubt - an advantage given to one who pays for them, over one who does not (or pays for something else), assuming their starting point is equal.
that's P2W, unless you can come up with a different definition.
the only thing left to argue about, is the "degree of Pay-To-Winess".

No super-computer, just a 2009 premium toaster. And that's the thing, they are not necessarily an advantage, if someone's starting point is equal to my own. More storage is an advantage, I won't deny that, but there are multiple ways to achieve that end, and not all require paying. Agreed, we'll disregard psychological stuff. But, I can't just alt tab to my stash and send it to my zone. I can do that with a mule. I can name a mule to give it better organization. Granted, can't really color code it. For the most part, a mule and stash tabs can be functionally the same. Some minor differences, but in the end, you have options of either a) paying for increased storage or b)not paying for increased storage. Doesn't seem very pay to win to me.

John, you are trying to debate reality with people that can't even admit 50 tabs gives a huge production of alchemy advantage over people with 4 tabs.

Let alone everything else you can recipe with those tabs.

You are arguing with people that can't even admit 4 tabs limits your space to fulfill such recipes with random yellows you find.

You are arguing with people who can't even admit there is a huge time saving advantage for using said stash tabs for anything, as opposed to using mule accounts.

there's comes a point where you just have to laugh and walk away.

Stash tabs are pay to win.

There's nothing to debate.

i can't even talk to these guys on this subject without wondering if they're even being serious now it's so obvious how pay to win stash tabs are.

it's almost like cows insisting they are giraffes.

and nothing you can say will make them change their minds.

Stash tabs = recipe OBVIOUS advantages, time/effort included.

let the nay sayers argue about "how much" all they want.

it's become laughable reading the arguments about how 50 tabs doesn't aid you one little bit, hahaha.

nope, no more aid that glow in the dark wings you can buy here.

hilarious.

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JIIX a écrit :

It's clearly not cosmetic only, but I don't care because:
1) it's really really low on the p2w scale.

This is how I feel.

There is a chasm between stash tabs and exp/drop boosters, and a chasm between boosters and directly buying items.

They're best seen as a "vendor and trading efficiency booster", and stash tabs compete against manually shuffling between mule accounts in a self-run guild. If GGG ever adds offline trading (via the site), then that drops even farther.

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Crusader_7 a écrit :

John, you are trying to debate reality with people that can't even admit 50 tabs gives a huge production of alchemy advantage over people with 4 tabs.

You should buy some stash tabs.

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johnKeys a écrit :

Fruz, please enlighten me on how to do that.
note that everything I have in my packed-full stash can be useful at any given point, so I don't have the "luxury" of logging out, logging into another char, putting stuff in stash, logging out, logging into the first char, take the thing I need from Stash.
all while you just - you know - go to town and take that thing from stash.
oh wait, my instance just closed after all those silly char switching games.
loading screens are a bitch.

Well that IS ridiculous.

Noone managing his stash space well needs to hoard the whole content of an instance until it finishes it ....

95% gets sold as soon as you port back, the rest can eventually be kept, after that, it's nothing to log out on another char and transfer using the stash.

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pneuma a écrit :

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JIIX a écrit :

It's clearly not cosmetic only, but I don't care because:
1) it's really really low on the p2w scale.

This is how I feel.

There is a chasm between stash tabs and exp/drop boosters, and a chasm between boosters and directly buying items.

They're best seen as a "vendor and trading efficiency booster", and stash tabs compete against manually shuffling between mule accounts in a self-run guild. If GGG ever adds offline trading (via the site), then that drops even farther.

There is always people that will find other player buying convenience unfair.
The scale is so low that it's not significant in PoE honestly, it's basically just about comfort.

Start big and then work your way down.

4 stash tabs isn't p2w.
3 stash tabs isn't p2w.
1 stash tab isn't p2w.
50 inventory spots (that's right, not even a full stash tab) isn't p2w.
25 inv. spots isn't p2w.
10 inv. spots isn't p2w.
0 inv. spots isn't p2w.

Do you feel at any point that they start getting to be a little bit 'p2w'ish ? If so, all of those, by that logic, are p2w. If not, then they aren't p2w. Really think about if 0 stash tabs is p2w or not after you work your way down.

It's a good way to figure out how you feel on the issue imo.

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Stash tabs are, ultimately, convenience. You can play without any and do just fine in the big picture of the game. You could technically save up for the chaos recipe with no stash tabs by using the party system to share items between multiple account inventories.

They provide an advantage. They aren't very much different from a potion that gives you increased exp or gold gains, simply due to the time they save you moving items around.

It's a sensitive topic and one that requires much thought. They aren't directly p2w, but on some level, they do seem to be.

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Crusader_7 a écrit :

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I see you have nothing to say to support your claim (humping the already dead Alch recipe argument doesn't help), so there is indeed nothing to debate. Stash tabs are not p2w. Case closed?

@Fruz: no.

also, 70% of all statistics are pulled out of the ass, and 100% of RNG is RNG.

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Xavderion a écrit :

Stash tabs are not p2w

except they are.
but I'm sure you won't let that minor setback of a fact, stop you.

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johnKeys a écrit :

@b15h09,
the point is, tabs can range from minor convenience/advantage in your super-computer case, to full-blown knock-out in my "medieval toaster" one, or anything in between these two extremes.
I think that's the "spectrum" Veruski mentioned, without getting into the whole psychological things in his post.

but they are - without a shadow of a doubt - an advantage given to one who pays for them, over one who does not (or pays for something else), assuming their starting point is equal.
by contrast, if I buy pink pixie wings and you don't - regardless of your computer or anything else - my only "advantage" over you in-game, is one "fabulous"-looking big Marauder.

that's P2W, unless you can come up with a different definition.
the only thing left to argue about, is the "degree of Pay-To-Winess".

A 300 dollar computer can handle two clients simultaneously. That's all you need to have virtually zero disadvantages compared to someone with endless stash tabs. Your point is incredibly weak.