Are Stash Tabs Pay To Win ? Science

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sidtherat a écrit :

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b15h09 a écrit :

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sidtherat a écrit :

2) mule accounts:
(if said item is on another account):
find an account that has said item, log on to it in second poe instance (lets assume it is running already, if not - add quite a bit of time for poe startup), log in to a proper character, trade said item to main character [alternatively try to find the buyer-to-be in trade chat on that account], link it in a whisper, hear 'thanks, but ive sold it already'

Why wouldn't you just use a dedicated trade account, keep it in a1n, and list items under said account, leaving the client open at all times in addition to your playing account? Seems to me that all that stuff you just listed is a problem only if you make it a problem. I'd think a mule trade account means never having to leave a zone to trade again. Would only be a problem if you were trying to sell more stuff than 4 tabs + a character inventory.

ofc you sell more than 4 puny tabs and char inventory.. esp if you want to take advantage of all other bonuses having lots of storage place provides. sorry, but most shop threads, even small ones have items that wouldnt fit into 10 tabs.. not mentioning one

and if you want to sell anything via shop you have to be 'online' on poe.xyz - this also creates another requirement to mulling account

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Veruski a écrit :

I have, on multiple occasions, exactly and explicitly explained to you and others, on multiple different posts, just how and why muling is a disadvantage vs having more tabs.

Every time I have done this, you say I'm wrong or ignore the post.

despite explaining that i am actually very experienced running on low tabs, and have done it for a while, and have also run with high tabs as well. while you, on the other hand, don't seem to have any such experience.

it's pretty obvious. it takes more time to mule, even if you are running 100% smooth with 2 clients. periods. it takes more time.

there's no arguing about it, or debating it. whatever you are doing by muling, it takes longer to do that then to simply utilize a larger stash space.

it takes more time, from all the following perspectives:

1) storage of items.
2) trading of items
3) retrieval of items
4) moving items to the proper character
5) recipe organization (if this is your thing)
6) organization of items in general

all of these things become harder and more time consuming with muling.

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sidtherat a écrit :

you see someone in chat 'wtb SOME_ITEM_YOU_HAVE for VERY GOOD PRICE'

1) lots of stash tabs:
Town Portal, run to stash, find said item (anyone having issues finding it and making this a 'con' of many stash tabs is an unorganized and chaotic person), link it in a whisper. it takes few seconds and in most cases guarantees a deal

2) mule accounts:
(if said item is on another account):
find an account that has said item, log on to it in second poe instance (lets assume it is running already, if not - add quite a bit of time for poe startup), log in to a proper character, trade said item to main character [alternatively try to find the buyer-to-be in trade chat on that account], link it in a whisper, hear 'thanks, but ive sold it already'

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Veruski a écrit :

@xav:

you don't agree that it takes more time to mule?

all things being equal, it takes more time. period. are you debating this?

please let me know if this is the point you are contending. if it is,

and i don't know what "insignificantly short" means. if it's just 5 extra seconds, well, storing/retrieving items is something you will do thousands of times while playing PoE.

so yeah, it adds up

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Veruski a écrit :

however long it takes to organize 100+ stash tabs, it would be even more time consuming to organize them if they were spread out amongst multiple accounts and characters within those accounts.

i would say an hour lost is pretty substantial.

it's also a number that has no context/meaning, since 3 minutes means nothing unless you compare that to how often you spent playing.

did it take 3 minutes to mule for a 1 hour session? that would be pretty substantial.

did it take 3 minutes for 12 hours of combined play? 24 hours? that would be far less.

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Xavderion a écrit :

You wouldn't even have 100 tabs as a muler, you would learn to organize your items much more efficiently and thus save time :)

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Xavderion a écrit :

If you think losing one hour in three weeks of daily play is substantial, then that's your opinion, but I think it's silly. Taking a shit twice a day instead of once loses you way more time x)

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Treffnix a écrit :

this thread is pointless.