Are Stash Tabs Pay To Win ? Science

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Veruski a écrit :

it IS that simple.

the people who try to make it not-simple, are the ones who try to justify it, and explain it away.

again, this is something hardcore fans do in defense of their games quite commonly. it is very normal.

you try to rationalize/justfy away a very simple thing (paying for an advantage). it doesn't go away though, it just makes you wrong and look stupid/dumb to outsiders....or, at the very least, irrational.

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Veruski a écrit :

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b15h09 a écrit :

FTFY

i addressed this numerous times several pages back

but really, theres a number of reasons why it's a disadvantage to mule items.

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For making things difficult to find, I have a hard enough time finding what I'm looking for with tabs. Would be a real nightmare without Procurement/PoE Helper. Which would still work on a separate account.

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Veruski a écrit :

the concept of p2w is incredible simple and easy to understand.

it means:

Paying with real-life currency for an in-game advantage.

that is really the only definition of p2w that really makes sense. a game is called 'p2w game' if you can directly purchase the advantage from the creator of the game, although people might refer to an individual engaging in "p2w" even if they used a third party (rather than the creator).

so really, if you agree that having spare stash tabs is an advantage over somebody who does not have them, you are explicitly agreeing that the game is p2w.

either that, or you have to dispute the definition.

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majesw a écrit :

This may be a clear cut term for you personally, but I think the above proves that there exists quite some variance in interpretation.

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Veruski a écrit :

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majesw a écrit :

This may be a clear cut term for you personally, but I think the above proves that there exists quite some variance in interpretation.

this is, again, just more hopeless rationalization that you see from many hardcore fans of many games.

they all talk like this. the appeal to interpretation. "it's not p2w because that phrase means something different to me"

if you use that kind of argumentation, you can make that claim that *any* game that is obviously p2w, is not. no matter how blatant. you could just start defining things arbitrarily.

conversely, using this definition, it's very hard to twist things and portray a game that actually isn't p2w, as one that is.

why? because of the creator of the game doesn't offer you anything for sale for their game, there's no real official way to engage in p2w. you could go to a third party, but that wouldn't be the fault of the creator of the game.

again it is quite simple:
if you can buy an MTX that offers you an in-game advantage, the game is p2w.

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Boem a écrit :

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For making things difficult to find, I have a hard enough time finding what I'm looking for with tabs. Would be a real nightmare without Procurement/PoE Helper. Which would still work on a separate account.

I don't understand this.

For example i play all 4 league's, i have 18 stash tabs in all of them and i know where every single piece of my items are.

This is not a game limitation but a personal one.

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mark1030 a écrit :

All these recipes used as examples and I havent heard the easiest. White items get you a scroll fragment that has a direct and predictable upgrade path to higher currencies. Why doesn't everybody use this simple recipe instead of trying to find yellow items that have the same name? Could it be that it takes too much time? Maybe too much effort? Inefficient way to accumulate wealth? Would 200 stash tabs make this recipe earn you more wealth? Faster wealth? No, of course not. Guess what, 200 stash tabs doesn't make the other recipes more efficient or faster either. Vendoring rares will get you alcs via shards much faster than trying to save, organize, and sort out hundreds of tabs worth of rares looking for the right combinations.

The only real argument I've seen on why more stash tabs is an advantage is that it saves time over mulling. There is another thing that saves time over mulling and you don't need stash tabs to do it. And that's not hoarding more stuff than you need to do recipes and Vendoring what you don't need for shards that directly upgrade to full currency.