Are Stash Tabs Pay To Win ? Science

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majesw a écrit :

It’s shocking that some people want to label this game as pay to win…

How brain-dead a person have to be to hoard stash tabs to do stupid recipe to win. And why the fuck would i buy stash tab if i want to go P2W. Ain't nobody got time for that?

Call stash tab whatever you want. I want to know how many retarded bought stash tab in order to WIN. Im not one of them, are you?

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majesw a écrit :

Do stash tabs give an advantage? Of course they do.

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majesw a écrit :

I’ll gladly agree to that. But stash tabs are not enough to label a game pay to win.

lol

there's no magical border, boundary, or line where a game starts being p2w

you can either

A) buy an in-game advantage with USD (or some other countries currency)
or
B) you can't

stash tabs are an in game advantage (you explicitly agree to this), that you can purchase with USD. thus, p2w. period.

unless you think p2w means something BESIDES "the ability to purchase an in-game advantage"

you can argue until the cows come home about "how much of an advantage it needs to be to constitute p2w"...but at the end of the day, if it's an advantage, it's p2w.

yes, one game can be "more p2w" than another game. sure. it doesn't make any difference though. if you are just trying to sort games that are p2w, from games that are not p2w, Path of Exile clearly falls in the "P2W" category.

Nothing to debate. Case closed. Lock thread.

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Veruski a écrit :

A) buy an in-game advantage with USD (or some other countries currency)
or
B) get an in-game advantage for free using a second client

FTFY

All these recipes used as examples and I havent heard the easiest. White items get you a scroll fragment that has a direct and predictable upgrade path to higher currencies. Why doesn't everybody use this simple recipe instead of trying to find yellow items that have the same name? Could it be that it takes too much time? Maybe too much effort? Inefficient way to accumulate wealth? Would 200 stash tabs make this recipe earn you more wealth? Faster wealth? No, of course not. Guess what, 200 stash tabs doesn't make the other recipes more efficient or faster either. Vendoring rares will get you alcs via shards much faster than trying to save, organize, and sort out hundreds of tabs worth of rares looking for the right combinations.

The only real argument I've seen on why more stash tabs is an advantage is that it saves time over mulling. There is another thing that saves time over mulling and you don't need stash tabs to do it. And that's not hoarding more stuff than you need to do recipes and Vendoring what you don't need for shards that directly upgrade to full currency.

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b15h09 a écrit :

FTFY

i addressed this numerous times several pages back

but really, theres a number of reasons why it's a disadvantage to mule items.

1) it takes additional time

2) it spreads your items out among multiple accounts, making them harder to find and keep track of

3) it makes it harder to sell items, as you now have to juggle getting tells, messages, from multiple accounts, and making sure they appear online to people via the indexer

that's just a few. i have extensive experience playing the game both with few tabs and many tabs.

it's noticeably easier, simpler, and less of a burden to have extra stash tabs vs muling.

i don't see how anybody with a fully functioning brain could really debate this.

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Veruski a écrit :

lol

there's no magical border, boundary, or line where a game starts being p2w

It's odd that you say this when this thread has proved exactly the opposite.
Everyone has their own "magical" line where they think a game becomes pay to win.
Stash tabs alone isn't enough to cross that line for many people here.

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majesw a écrit :

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Veruski a écrit :

lol

there's no magical border, boundary, or line where a game starts being p2w

It's odd that you say this when this thread has proved exactly the opposite.
Everyone has their own "magical" line where they think a game becomes pay to win.
Stash tabs alone isn't enough to cross that line for many people here.

the hardcore fans of any game will respond the same no matter what the game.

even if it's the most brutally p2w game in existence, if you ask the core fanbase if it's p2w, they will say the following:

"it's not really p2w since even if you spend $1000000 on upgrades you can still suck"

"yeah man it's not at all p2w have you seen this other game ____ holy crap THAT is p2w this one barely even counts"

"haha dude there's this guy who has full upgrades and i stomp him every time even though i have none! game is not p2w at all!"

etc

people aren't exactly the most rational. all i get from this thread is "75% of the hardcore PoE fans are wrong about something"

which isn't all that unusual, given that this topic is likely hurting some peoples feelings/egos.

at the end of the day, you can either pay for an advantage, or you can't.

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Veruski a écrit :

which isn't all that unusual, given that this topic is likely hurting some peoples feelings/egos.

at the end of the day, you can either pay for an advantage, or you can't.

It's not really as simple as you seem to think.
No one here has mentioned RMT yet, but a lot of people think PoE is pay to win because of RMT.
Some people think games like D3 are pay to win because of multi-boxing.

It's a very fluid concept.

it IS that simple.

the people who try to make it not-simple, are the ones who try to justify it, and explain it away.

again, this is something hardcore fans do in defense of their games quite commonly. it is very normal.

you try to rationalize/justfy away a very simple thing (paying for an advantage). it doesn't go away though, it just makes you wrong and look stupid/dumb to outsiders....or, at the very least, irrational.