The 10% EXP penalty on death NEEDS TO GO

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Berylstone a écrit :

Spoiler

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ScrotieMcB a écrit :

A 10% XP penalty for experiencing severe desync is too severe.
A 10% XP penalty for making a mistake which kills your character is just about right, if not too lenient. (Oh, and desync isn't "making a mistake.")

The problem is figuring out how to rectify the first, without ruining the second. Obviously, smoothing out desync would be a huge help, essentially rendering the conversation moot. But in the meantime, while desync is still a major factor, should the penalty be reduced to protect the innocent?

Here's the way I look at it: if we reduced the XP penalties now, then fixed desync later, and then GGG announced "well, since desync has been largely mitigated, we're going to increase the XP penalty back up to 10% again," what do you imagine would happen? That situation isn't very pleasant, and it's completely avoidable if GGG leaves the XP penalty alone, and instead focuses on the real problem: desync itself.

To be honest, I'd prefer some kind of irreparable durability system — that is, dying wears down your items, eventually breaking them — to an XP penalty in the first place, but that's my own personal pipe dream. In the meantime, some kind of XP penalty is what I'll have to settle with, and for the reasons stated above, I'm against reducing it further.

Even for legitimate mistakes I think 10% is too severe at higher levels, as it would discourage me from attempting new content I wasn't familiar with until after I had leveled up and was at 0 experience. Therefore I consider it bad design, because it's punishing to the point it dissuades the player from experiencing the game.

But I do agree its the lag deaths that are the worst. There is nothing more annoying then suddenly finding my character transported into the middle of a chaos cloud and tons of mobs when I was suppose to be running into another room.

The solution would be simple. Give us a mode where you don't lose experience when you die (or very little) and see how many players opt to join it. I bet you would find I'm not quite as much in the minority as some people on here think.

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Berylstone a écrit :

That may be, but this game has a particular issue with it.

When your character randomly teleports around on the map sometimes you know there are some real issues. (I've actually had to double check my gear before to make sure I didn't accidentally have lightning warp slotted lol).

But either way, losing tons of experience when you die doesn't need to be part of online gaming, and it shouldn't be here, especially considering the amount of lag this game has.

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Berylstone a écrit :

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Cergic a écrit :

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Berylstone a écrit :

It would not work if they lowered the exp loss. That was my fucking point.

Your argument just isn't grounded in reality. Like I said, even if the exp loss was just 1% you could not ROFLICOPTER your way to victory. Your post is absurd.

So my suggestion is stop making stupid arguments.

Bottom line is losing many days of work due to a lag death is bullshit, and it needs to change. If you want to be punished so badly when you die, go play hardcore mode. Then you can lose your entire character. That ought to make you really happy.

I am in Hardcore mode only. And i don't make posts when my lvl 70+ characters die.

It would work if they lowered the exp loss, obviously. If it was 5% it would be 3 maps for you. That's nothing. A few cata runs and you got yourself loads of maps, which you can vendor up. Not even sure how you play?

My argument is obviously shared with lots of other players, along other programmers and companies that makes similar games (they all got more than 1% xp loss on death LOLOLOL)

I do agree and understand, regarding the lag issue. I find Desync utterly retarded, and the result of Desync is tragic, but the solution is not to lower the xp loss, but to fix the desync.

I'm not making stupid arguments. I'd recommend you to stop crying like a lil bitch and become upset whenever someone isn't agreeing with you.

But you are making a stupid argument.

You said anything less than a 10% exp loss would let players ROFLCOPTER their way to victory or w/e, which is very stupid.

As I pointed out, even if players lost just 1% experience when they died, it would prevent them from being able to suicide their way through a map and level in the process.

And pointing out how stupid your argument is isn't crying like a little bitch, but I can understand why you want to pretend that it is.

And if you don't like the issue or what I am talking about then here is some advice for you - don't go into a thread about that issue. Because if anything is crying like a lil bitch, it's coming into a thread (which I clearly defined)and whining that the OP should drop the issue.

So if you don't like what I'm talking about, then don't participate in the thread. That's much better than going into the thread and cry like a lil bitch that the OP should it.

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Cergic a écrit :

So, yeah, unless i see some quality suggestions on how GGG should present a Penalty for DYING in Scrubcore, you're stamped as the crying lil bitch.

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mazul a écrit :

There is already a non-exp death penalty: the loss of a map portal.

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Lord_Kamster a écrit :

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mazul a écrit :

There is already a non-exp death penalty: the loss of a map portal.

How about you die, keep your XP, but lose all further entries to the map. Seriously, I will take this. It will even encourage further trading of maps, which should make GGG ecstatic.

Or there could even be a choice: take your 10% loss or lose entry to the maps.

Why not make the no-xp loss an orb, you can throw it onto the map device along with the map. Buyable from vendor for 15 chaos. If you use it you still can't go back into the map if you die.

Just throwing ideas out, but surely it could be balanced.

Edit: Seriously, I just died due to a 0 FPS lockup caused by shrine effects. Desync, performance, and balance issues, the Holy Trinity that prevents anyone from actually progressing in this game.