Your game might be broken when....

Well it's kind of telling that Colby died to the same boss several times while surviving every other boss. As soon as those projectiles come down you're doomed unless you were already moving.

What boss are we talking about?

Oh I see, the titty-bitch.

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kruemel2222 a écrit :

Yeah, on paper for sure. In reality, not so much. Again, it's easy to watch a video and start to babble about the player's mistakes afterwards. I'd be highly surprised if he (or you) could live up to the theoretical crap yourselves. Given you are human beings, not machines.

i find this an interesting statement. You seem to be going towards the 'theory is completely pointless' discussion.

I choose to believe that theory - at least as far as video games are concerned - has to prove itself viable in reality. And I really don't see how this is the case here. Seriously, if I have to watch a replay to figure out what happened whenever one of my chars dies something is wrong.

For example, you say they could have used enfeeble. Those guys die within the time it takes to cast enfeeble. With capped resistances and a decent amount of life. And even if they had resolved enfeeble before they got hit by whatever ability the bosses are using the damage seems to be high enough to kill them anyways. Note that either ability would have scored a few extra hits after they have died.

Don't get me wrong. There is a place for theorycrafting. Mostly builds. It's not very valuable as far as actual gameplay is concerned, though. Especially when considering extremes like the ones we can see here and in most other invasion boss "one-shot" videos.

@Kruemel
So what you wanted was not an explanation on how the situations could have been survived but instead a recreation of the fight as proof that it can be survived. Well sorry I can not provide that. It would take me about a week to get up to 65 and that is assuming I don't slip, make a mistake and die before then.

I do find it funny though as I was listening in on ZiggyDs stream and he was saying how we are stuck in rush mode and a lot of people are dying because of it and we'd die less if we just slowed down and adjusted to the league.

Far as I know he doesn't have any 65's in Invasion either I guess he is full of shit and doesn't know what the hell he is talking about.

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ScrotieMcB a écrit :

Clocksimus is correct that both players should have realized the danger they were in seconds prior to their deaths, and thus had opportunities to take immediate action. As such, I think it's fair to say both characters should have lived.

There is no way that Colby could have known what danger he was in seconds before his death - that boss looks the exact same as all the other mobs

Bullshit.

This is from 3 seconds before death.



The titty boss is clearly shown on the top right, normal titty bitches — that is, a Tentacle Miscreations — is shown on the left and bottom right. The miscreation does not have proper arms, which are instead mutated into tentacles; the boss has proper arms with some kind of fan-like thing where the hands should be, and no tentacles whatsoever. A miscreation is barefoot, while the boss is wearing sandals or something. Also, the boss is much, much taller.

@Scrotie Like it or not he didn't see her although he has died to her before.. Not sure why you're calling bullshit.

She has long range allowing her to shoot from the edge of the screen.

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ScrotieMcB a écrit :

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ThirdProphecy a écrit :

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ScrotieMcB a écrit :

Clocksimus is correct that both players should have realized the danger they were in seconds prior to their deaths, and thus had opportunities to take immediate action. As such, I think it's fair to say both characters should have lived.

There is no way that Colby could have known what danger he was in seconds before his death - that boss looks the exact same as all the other mobs

Bullshit.

This is from 3 seconds before death.

The titty boss is clearly shown on the right, a normal titty bitch — that is, a Tentacle Miscreation — is shown on the left. The miscreation does not have proper arms, which are instead mutated into tentacles; the boss has proper arms with some kind of fan-like thing where the hands should be. A miscreation is barefoot, while the boss is wearing sandals or something. Also, the boss is much, much taller.

I've got no opinion on Invasion, but you're telling these people that in three seconds, they should be able to see this red boss on a red background in a sea of visually similar monsters.

Dude. The issue here is self-evident. You're either being facetious or think we're superhuman. I stared at that image a solid 30 or 45 seconds and just noticed what the heck you were talking about. I mean, I don't play Invasion and so wouldn't know what to look for, but still.

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kasub a écrit :

@Scrotie Like it or not he didn't see her although he has died to her before.. Not sure why you're calling bullshit.

She has long range allowing her to shoot from the edge of the screen.

She is very clearly on the screen. She's not off-screening at all. She does blend in a little, but it's a completely different model — she is not just a Massive Tentacle Miscreation. Colby probably would have done better if, instead of raging, he would have taken the time after his death to study her appearance to make sure he actually noticed her next time. "Sandals = danger" or some such mnemonic; simply checking the shoes/arms of the miscreations would have done the trick here. (In this case, he would have had to wait until after the Frost Wall went down.)

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Clocksimus a écrit :

If he was an evasion build and the spell was a physical spell that can not be evaded... Well he is just screwed now isn't he. I guess that is what happens when GGG designs bosses to counter builds.

Oh, right. Where are the bosses that counter armor again? The bosses that bypass CI? You know, the ones who immediately oneshot you on sight because you happened to be an armor character? Or the guy who just bypasses ES and hits your 1 health even though you have CI? Where are those bosses that counter those mechanics, exactly?

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kasub a écrit :

@Scrotie Like it or not he didn't see her although he has died to her before.. Not sure why you're calling bullshit.

She has long range allowing her to shoot from the edge of the screen.

She is very clearly on the screen. She's not off-screening at all. She does blend in a little, but it's a completely different model — she is not just a Massive Tentacle Miscreation. Colby probably would have done better if, instead of raging, he would have taken the time after his death to study her appearance to make sure he actually noticed her next time. "Sandals = danger" or some such mnemonic; simply checking the shoes/arms of the miscreations would have done the trick here. (In this case, he would have had to wait until after the Frost Wall went down.)

Yes, let's all stop and examine every single mob for size, color, features, and movement patterns. Let's also stop and have a conversation to ask them for their height, weight, hair color, and social security number. In that time you would already be dead, but hey, semantics right?

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Clocksimus a écrit :

If he was an evasion build and the spell was a physical spell that can not be evaded... Well he is just screwed now isn't he. I guess that is what happens when GGG designs bosses to counter builds.

Oh, right. Where are the bosses that counter armor again? The bosses that counter CI? You know, the ones who immediately oneshot you on sight because you happened to be an armor character? Or the guy who just bypasses ES and hits your 1 health even though you have CI? Where are those bosses that counter those mechanics, exactly?

Any huge hit boss counters armor you know. Evasion is far superior against those.

The boss is not OP because she counters evasion, she's OP due to overtuned numbers(compared to every other invasion boss) combined with long range.

@Scrotie He has died several times to her. He knows what she looks like. She has long enough range that she was able to hit him before it was clear there was a boss. I don't think long range bosses should have such high damage but that's just me.

Here's another link to show how high her damage is : http://www.twitch.tv/etup/b/509539074?t=289m15s