It's frustrating how good Bringer of Rain is.

Well Purity of Elements and Endurance Charges -.-

Also another option instead of resistances is just heavy spell-block. There are only few situations in which a single hit would kill you, or even two. And Spell-Block also works against some more nasty things (like EK or the Chaos-Damage EK).

Getting to about 50-60% Res is propably enough if you are capping your spell-block. Maybe you need to do something if you run a Ele-Weakness Map, but Spell-Block is really powerful greatly reducing the need for resistances and it is propably what makes -maxres maps possible in some situations.

The problem with Shavs, Kaoms, Volt and also BoR is that there is not similar bad item for it. Getting the Shavs mod on a crappy chest-piece would give some alternative. Kaoms is so expensive since there are no other high-hp uniques with severe drawbacks. Volt basically disables reflect-mods something that is unique to the bow (even if it isn't stating it, but a mod "damage done with this weapon can't be reflected" could be somewhere else).

BoR is simply the best offensive item and honestly getting a 6l-chest with rolls good enough to compete with BoR + 2 20Q Gems to be better than BoR is propably as expensive as BoR itself. BoR is so expensive because it is a 6l-chest and two items with really good hp-rolls and a lot of flat damage.

50-65% resist is about 150-200% more damage taken. Thats not something ignorable when you consider how much damage most bosses do.

Whats more, if you are talking about spell block, we have a few nodes far away that aren't too easy, and the unique amulet. If we add in the unique amulet, that leaves you with only 3 items

Add to that running a 40% aura means you have even less available mana, and a 40+60+60 is 160% mana base, which means that assuming you have enough mana, you need to get over 40-50% reduced mana from the gem and the tree, and all this just to reach your resistance cap.

By adding spell block you make the build HARDER to run, requiring more elite items.


Yes youcan, but its not easy.

Shavs is good for cheap (other than the item), kaoms is good for cheap aswell, volt is good for semi-cheap (but more expensive than the aboves), but BoR is not cheap to run properly.

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Real_Wolf a écrit :

Add to that running a 40% aura means you have even less available mana, and a 40+60+60 is 160% mana base, which means that assuming you have enough mana, you need to get over 40-50% reduced mana from the gem and the tree, and all this just to reach your resistance cap.

Thats where Rainbow Strides come in with their resist all, nice boost to mana, spell block and some ES just to top it off.

It's already been said a few times, it's not so much BoR in isolation thats an issue, but moreso the way it synergises with other uniques that allows players to do what they normally couldn't do defensively.

Bazz, there's a reason they nerfed Rainbowstrides. It used to be pretty much automatically BiS. And Real_Wolf is right - you need a ton of resists to make the build work, and you have to get a lot of them on gear. Assuming you use RS, you're now 8% up on all resists. That's really not very much. Look, the fact is that builds running BoR need a ton of really godly gear beyond the bringer to be OP. Sure, they're gonna be OP, but you know what? So is an EA life tank running 7 endurance charges, overcapped allres, a 6L Quill Rain and a legacy Kaom's for over 10k life. There's nothing wrong with that - that build has some of the best items in the game and builds around the synergy they provide. If you have BoR, Aegis, a godly 1Her (yes, you need a pretty godly 1H weapon for the build), and can still shore up your survivability despite having most of your equipment slots filled with gear that offers little to no resists, then you deserve to be OP, because you have specced out your character with some of the most endgame gear in the game. It's really that simple.

Good chest and helm provide much more defense, HP amount of both, summed, could be very close to BOR's, player doesn't lack resistances, player may stack chaos res, all gems can be 20/20 in a difference of BOR. The 15% block from BOR can be bypassed by spending several additional points on block nodes, or by other uniques.
BOR is a lazy, average midgame relatively cheap block build enabler. With lot of downsides. It's far, far away from overpowered.

Jesus BoR + Aegis isn't even a good aegis build. It's noobs slapping together high powered items and it working out because they spent a lot of money.

To the OP, what build is it required for? It's amazing with Pillar and Facebreakers but not required, the builds are perfectly viable without it. What else were you thinking of?

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aimlessgun a écrit :

Jesus BoR + Aegis isn't even a good aegis build. It's noobs slapping together high powered items and it working out because they spent a lot of money.

To the OP, what build is it required for? It's amazing with Pillar and Facebreakers but not required, the builds are perfectly viable without it. What else were you thinking of?

Uh, what? BoR and Aegis have great synergy, because of 15% block and chance to gain endurance charge on block built into BoR. It's close to impossible to get 75% block without BoR if you are using Aegis and Stone of Lazwar.

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Doitfrlulz a écrit :

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It's frustrating how good Bringer of Rain is.

not even close to good helm + 6l armor

there in lies the problem.

a good 6l armor is worth easily 2 - 3 times a Bor depending on rolls and armor type.
crafting anything above a 5l is excessively unpredictable.

the bor pays for its self if nothing else , in pure convenience of only needing 5 fusing to make it battle ready

a 5 fusing 7l is just fantastic.


and its rolls are better than most pre map rares even taking into account the lack of chest armor


to behonest , the problem is not bor , the problem is that in comparison 6l chests are just too hard (or put better unpredictable and often expensive) to get .

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aimlessgun a écrit :

Jesus BoR + Aegis isn't even a good aegis build. It's noobs slapping together high powered items and it working out because they spent a lot of money.

To the OP, what build is it required for? It's amazing with Pillar and Facebreakers but not required, the builds are perfectly viable without it. What else were you thinking of?

And this folks is the kind of cluelessguns we have looking after alpha...no wonder this game has so many balance issues.