It's frustrating how good Bringer of Rain is.

You've payed 3 times more for ST to save up 4 nodes.

How much did you pay for it?

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tinko92 a écrit :

You've payed 3 times more for ST to save up 4 nodes.

How much did you pay for it?

4 nodes is a lot at lvl 85+ it's 4 more levels, at my pace, it's 4 months + ;) It was also 1 ECharge more and ~3000 dps more.

I payed over 100 exalted for it. (I don't want to tell precise cost) If you think that's absurd listen to this: I was trying to buy one for 4-5 days, no one would sell (good rolled one), I was actually lucky to get one (well, there a few available at 140+ exalted but I wasn't going to indulge those people's wet dreams... :P )

btw. I don't think that the value of the axe is going to sink since it's legacy so it's kind of an investment that took me 1.5 year to make. Spent pretty much everything on that axe but I don't regret it, it's a fun thing, one could say "Chillin killlin" (reference from /www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm99yillRVQ )

:)

But with that much currency you could've bought a mirrored 500+ pDPS weapon.

How much DPS nodes would that save you?

By the way, what were those 4 nodes? I find it very hard to believe what you're saying here :)
I have around 40k DPS with a 6L (all gems 20/20, no splash, Reave + CC) with my 537 pDPS sword, and I don't believe that 4 extra nodes would yield me 3k DPS and 1 EC, let alone to you with a lot less pDPS weapon and weaker gems.

Sure, it's a hell of an investment, I know because I sold mine to get the sword. And that actually saved me a lot of nodes.

I thought this was solved by my post ages ago.

BoR is good, yes, but without the supporting gear its pretty terrible because you are giving away two slots of resistances and stats for it. That means other slots have to have better resistances, meaning less ability to customise them with other mods you want.

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grepman a écrit :

elemental attacks are blinded just as well as physical, Im not sure why you make the distinction here. maybe you meant 'spells' ?

a good melee build will probably involve IR anyway, but IR is about to get nerfed (Im sure of it) in the expansion.

for acro melee builds blind is a beast, again. maybe not for 100ex+ builds that can annihilate most content without worrying too much about defenses and leech back life/shield with VP or something...but otherwise, blind is a beast on any toon with evasion

I didn't mean attack, I just said that elemental dmg was the main threat later on and it's such a threat basically only when it's a spell, elemental attacks ( but Dominus, granted ) are not the most common cause of death.
Physical spells are only a threat to evasion builds, armored ones are usually fine.

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Ludak01 a écrit :

Blind is so underrated, I know, I've been there myself.

Blind is underrated against bosses and some big rares in high level maps, against the rest, melting everything faster is much more efficient.

And agree with Tinko92, good rares are more efficient, Soul Taker is good if you can afford 60% auras that will take 90%+ of your manapool and cant reduced its cost further, or if you are going for a very mana-expensive skillset.

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tinko92 a écrit :

But with that much currency you could've bought a mirrored 500+ pDPS weapon.

How much DPS nodes would that save you?

By the way, what were those 4 nodes? I find it very hard to believe what you're saying here :)
I have around 40k DPS with a 6L (all gems 20/20, no splash, Reave + CC) with my 537 pDPS sword, and I don't believe that 4 extra nodes would yield me 3k DPS and 1 EC, let alone to you with a lot less pDPS weapon and weaker gems.

Sure, it's a hell of an investment, I know because I sold mine to get the sword. And that actually saved me a lot of nodes.

well, if I remember correctly, I would need to purchase a mirror for ~120 exalted and that is more than the price of ST, then, at that time I think a 410 pdps sword up for mirror was 50ish exalt, so that's now close to 200 exalt...so no, I couldn't have mirrored a craft, + craft doesn't chill on hit (big thing for me as a tank) and it doesn't let you use skills without mana.

4 nodes removed were mana regen nodes at ranger start (2) and mana regen at duelist part (2) then I used those to re-route to ranger through through +9% attack speed that on my 20K dps gave me ~23K dps (AoE, single target is around 30K, I am res tech, no crits or crit multi...for now), and I used 1 point to take additional Echarge.
If you have 40K dps, I think +9% IAS would give you ~4K dps, no?
Anyway, we are waaay off topic :) PM me if you wish, we can discuss this further.

here is my current tree,


I don't really have that much dmg nodes either, I had to invest a lot in block and in making Aegis work optimally...On 74+ maps my kill speed suffers but I have all the time in the world, only thing that can kill me is myself, on thorns...

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Blind is underrated against bosses and some big rares in high level maps, against the rest, melting everything faster is much more efficient.

like what? Blind doesn't work for spells works on bosses just fine. Big rares? Works like a charm on them. I didn't make many videos but there are people that did, there is (forgot the name :S ) that evasion ranger melee build (BoR, soul taker) runing barley 3000hp destroying everything, including dual Dominus, Dual Jungle Voley with extra dmg etc, you can find it under rangers forum part in builds section. Blind is a big thing that let's him do all that, and he is like never in any real damger like those glass canon flicker strike builds. Besides, it's just a bonus on a BoR, you can utilize it or not. I had a very good 6L chest (40 exalt good, I sold it) and helm, and BoR works better. I still have ~10K armor unbuffed...
and by the way, how is 6L chest + helm going to make you melt everything faster than with BoR that adds damage? Best case scenario, 20/20 gems will even out the added dmg from BoR so you end up with a bit more room to breathe with resistances so some of the items may have some dmg on them but you can do that with BoR too, money solves everything.

Also, I personally was discussing BoR in a tank build. You feel free to make a tank without BoR but it's unlikely it will have max block and decent damage, it will probably have less eHP too and will cost more in the process (if we are talking about mirored items in builds)

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Ludak021 a écrit :

like what? Blind doesn't work for spells works on bosses just fine. Big rares? Works like a charm on them. I didn't make many videos but there are people that did, there is (forgot the name :S ) that evasion ranger melee build (BoR, soul taker) runing barley 3000hp destroying everything, including dual Dominus, Dual Jungle Voley with extra dmg etc, you can find it under rangers forum part in builds section. Blind is a big thing that let's him do all that

I'm pretty sure that blind does not apply to spell, but only to attacks.

The guy you're talking about it doing dual bosses is stacking spell block, and against some heavy physical bosses using Saffel's Frame.

One could say that blind helps him against spell because he can then use Saffel more safely, but else than that : no, it's not blind that let's him do all that about the magic part.
What makes him able to do that is the extremely high regeneration through LGoH + dodge + evade + block and then only after that, blind comes as the cherry on the cake for the physical part of it.
Of course it's important because his build his partly based on it.


So back to what I was saying basically : blind is great against physical bosses and big threatening rares in non-vanilla maps.

TLDR : BoR is amazing when you build around it, else it's a just a good+ unique that get beaten hands down by godlike rares. Items that I don't have and will probably never, that's what makes BoR also attractive, it's much easier to get.

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Ludak021 a écrit :

well, if I remember correctly, I would need to purchase a mirror for ~120 exalted and that is more than the price of ST, then, at that time I think a 410 pdps sword up for mirror was 50ish exalt, so that's now close to 200 exalt...so no, I couldn't have mirrored a craft, + craft doesn't chill on hit (big thing for me as a tank) and it doesn't let you use skills without mana.

4 nodes removed were mana regen nodes at ranger start (2) and mana regen at duelist part (2) then I used those to re-route to ranger through through +9% attack speed that on my 20K dps gave me ~23K dps (AoE, single target is around 30K, I am res tech, no crits or crit multi...for now), and I used 1 point to take additional Echarge.
If you have 40K dps, I think +9% IAS would give you ~4K dps, no?
Anyway, we are waaay off topic :) PM me if you wish, we can discuss this further.

here is my current tree,

Spoiler

http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgQBAecDhwSzBS0UIBRxF-EZLhoyGjgaVRutJd8n7SmlLdI26DbpOJY62D3iQapHfkjuSn1N2E4qT31QR1FgU99Y21nzWf5br2BLYSFko2VNZp5noGqTbmlu2HB9cql07XiueOt673zZfXWAVoFvhNmE74d2jHaQCpBVlWaZK5stm4OePKIApzCnhKvFrKqsr7T5tkG3F7fTud29gb6nwA_AGsOG0k3TftSP1e3Xy9yC3Q3jaucK55HsOO8O73rwH_GK8i_z3fcy97746_rS_MX-ug==

I don't really have that much dmg nodes either, I had to invest a lot in block and in making Aegis work optimally...On 74+ maps my kill speed suffers but I have all the time in the world, only thing that can kill me is myself, on thorns...

You don't remember something correctly.
When legacy ST went over 100 ex, there was already that Axn's foil for mirroring, it was even available when ST was ~70 ex.
That's how I got it, I waited for price to grow, sold it for ~115 ex and mirrored the foil.
I haven't even bought a mirrored copy because there wasn't any since the day I've started stalking DPS market.
And so I've bought a mirror, mirrored the foil and that was the best improvement after legacy Kaoms.

You're wrong about chilling, with Hatred aura, you're chilling constantly, like I was, and I used a 4L with Life Leech inside :)

You claim to be a tank, yet you have only 188% increased life from the tree. That's in a glass cannon section.
That's where the mirrored weapon would jump in, you'd be able to take out DPS nodes and put them in life.

From where exactly did you re-route? Was the former path to the right and then up to that block cluster? If so, you only gained 1% IAS, because there are 2 nodes of total 8%.

This would be the tree with the rare weapon.
I would recommend going for the 2x8% life nodes in the templar-witch area. Then 2 points in one handed damage "Fencing" as a temporary nodes until you get 3 more, then pick up those life nodes in the ranger area "Gymnastics".

That way, your survivability and DPS would be a lot better.


EDIT: Should've PM you :P