Lets talk armor (the stat)

Should've made a vid how the 5 Essence Ghosted Rare nearly 1 shotted me (800 left) through 7,3k HP, Forty, 25k Armor and 79 78 78 ele Res.

Just for the occasional dudes that are somehow blindfolded..

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Astarte911 a écrit :

Should've made a vid how the 5 Essence Ghosted Rare nearly 1 shotted me (800 left) through 7,3k HP, Forty, 25k Armor and 79 78 78 ele Res.

Just for the occasional dudes that are somehow blindfolded..

Some essence monsters are more difficult than bosses on maps and they at least go to Volatile Blood danger levels, if not surpassing them regarding one shot potential.

The only difference between a very difficult rare essence modded monster and a Volatile Blood Devourer/Plummeting Ursa is the fact that you have an exacerbated choice regarding your interaction with the essence monster, meanwhile the Volatile Blood one might get the "drop" on you no matter your caution and careful playstyle...

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Snorkle_uk a écrit :

This isnt being dickish or prodding people into a trap or whatever, honest serious question, people who feel like theres a lot of 1 shots, what sort of stuff is 1 shotting you? Am I just getting lucky?

Imho, they don't.
But it's easier to blame the game because "Fuck one shot it's bad design !!!!!!" than to admit that the player made a mistake and got wrecked because of it.

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Astarte911 a écrit :

Should've made a vid how the 5 Essence Ghosted Rare nearly 1 shotted me (800 left) through 7,3k HP, Forty, 25k Armor and 79 78 78 ele Res.

Because you know, that's totally not a "stars-align" scenario here, 5 essences monsters are everywhere, with ghosts on them, and of course you don't need to click 3 times on them to activate them.

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Fruz a écrit :

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Snorkle_uk a écrit :

This isnt being dickish or prodding people into a trap or whatever, honest serious question, people who feel like theres a lot of 1 shots, what sort of stuff is 1 shotting you? Am I just getting lucky?

Imho, they don't.
But it's easier to blame the game because "Fuck one shot it's bad design !!!!!!" than to admit that the player made a mistake and got wrecked because of it.

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Astarte911 a écrit :

Should've made a vid how the 5 Essence Ghosted Rare nearly 1 shotted me (800 left) through 7,3k HP, Forty, 25k Armor and 79 78 78 ele Res.

Because you know, that's totally not a "stars-align" scenario here, 5 essences monsters are everywhere, with ghosts on them, and of course you don't need to click 3 times on them to activate them.

So, first you saying there are essentially no one shots. Now you are saying, ive to skip content to avoid it. I mean, seriously..

This is also is not a 1 shot, right?
https://gfycat.com/DefiantFirmKronosaurus
So i skip Tora missions in future too ?

Also funny non-1-shot:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdmFO6Aykz4&feature=youtu.be
Next boss i need to skip, right ?


I can do this all day long, but at the end you will tell ive to skip 30% of content and then the game is 1-shot free. Ok dude, let it be. You are right, if i skip 30% of the content, then Path of Exile is 1-shot free.

Good boy.

I don't know if you have read my messages properly or if you are just trying to make stuff up, but just in case :

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Fruz a écrit :

Running all maps unid if I can ... I think that I have never ever died to a volatile, even in late red maps.
Apart from that, the one shots are from what ?
Oh wait, if not telegraphed, basically nothing ( Well, I remember I_NO getting pissed over a rock, so I am not saying that it can never happen, was probably a stars-align scenario, or the chest armour bug that suposedly has been fixed now. It was also in t16, not saying that there isn't anything overtuned in there ).

That was on the previous page.


Np.

Good boy.

PS : I know, that might seem difficult to understand for some, but sometimes, one needs to use brain while playing to adapt to the situation.
And no, no one shot there ( even though I cannot really watch the second video closely right now ).
That's a pro-tip here ( or actually, a common-sense tip that even beginners can understand ).

Again, no facts, just empty talking.

Its like the thing with Armor/EV discussion.

You think you are right and the whole community is wrong.

There are fucktons of people who complaining about this kind of stuff; but again Fruz is right and the rest of the world is wrong.

Gonna quit this discussion here. HF.

What facts ? Oo
You are not being capable of showing how there are lots of literal one shots that randomly destroy people in the game, you just cannot because this isn't happening, it's as simple as that.

The BS mechanic that can one shot in extreme situations is volatile, but that's basically it.
Telegraphed hits apart, obviously.
And again ( because otherise some peope would fail to read from the previous message and one before in the previous page ) : I am not saying that there are not unbalanced scenari where one can get blown up in a split second without making much of a mistake, there are some, but those are very seldom.


Now, you might have just realized that you talked too soon and answered something irrelevant because you didn't read before, all of it while being condescending, it happens, np, that's the internet.
So of course, another irrelevant statement ( like really irrelevant here "no facts", like wtf ) followed by a "Gonna quit this discussion".

Good job.

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Snorkle_uk a écrit :

I dunno, I think the 1 shot thing basically doesnt exist either. Not counting "lol I got 4k life magic find derpcopter" idiot softcore builds I sometimes play, just talking about proper characters that are designed to survive, in the last 2 years Ive been 1 shot three times. Were talking 5k+ hours played, 3 times Ive been killed in a single hit and 2 of those were vol blood.

This isnt being dickish or prodding people into a trap or whatever, honest serious question, people who feel like theres a lot of 1 shots, what sort of stuff is 1 shotting you? Am I just getting lucky?

Your builds don't kill fast enough for Volatile to be a big enough problem, Volatiles become a much bigger problem when you're clearing so fast you don't even have time to read mobs, i.e. in Breaches. And believe me, that's not really a stars align scenario either.



I think when people talk about one shots they mean they get bursted down so quickly they literally cannot react. There's almost no difference there other than semantics at that point, seriously what's the difference between dying to 1 shot vs 3 spells in rapid succession? Not much.

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Fruz a écrit :

What facts ? Oo
You are not being capable of showing how there are lots of literal one shots that randomly destroy people in the game, you just cannot because this isn't happening, it's as simple as that.

The BS mechanic that can one shot in extreme situations is volatile, but that's basically it.
Telegraphed hits apart, obviously.
And again ( because otherise some peope would fail to read from the previous message and one before in the previous page ) : I am not saying that there are not unbalanced scenari where one can get blown up in a split second without making much of a mistake, there are some, but those are very seldom.


Now, you might have just realized that you talked too soon and answered something irrelevant because you didn't read before, all of it while being condescending, it happens, np, that's the internet.
So of course, another irrelevant statement ( like really irrelevant here "no facts", like wtf ) followed by a "Gonna quit this discussion".

Good job.

Don't be a dick, there are plenty of examples of one shots. Anything with overlapping AoE's still one shots. Depending on the mods of the map, etc. some of the Warbands can be extremely dangerous, as well as packs of certain blue monsters where they can all converge and hit you at the same time. Etup has been hit for 9k+ pure physical, so I'm not sure where you get this idea that one shots are 'seldom' when they are in fact the only thing that kill people.



Here's an example of what I'm talking about when it comes to overlapping AoEs.


https://gfycat.com/InfantileUnfortunateBernesemountaindog

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allbusiness a écrit :

Don't be a dick, there are plenty of examples of one shots. Anything with overlapping AoE's still one shots. Depending on the mods of the map, etc. some of the Warbands can be extremely dangerous, as well as packs of certain blue monsters where they can all converge and hit you at the same time. Etup has been hit for 9k+ pure physical, so I'm not sure where you get this idea that one shots are 'seldom' when they are in fact the only thing that kill people.



Here's an example of what I'm talking about when it comes to overlapping AoEs.


https://gfycat.com/InfantileUnfortunateBernesemountaindog

Certainly not as many as forum warriors want to make it look like.
I would not use "plenty" here.
If mobs converge to you, you are supposed to see them coming, altho sometmes it can be difficult.

They are almost the only thing that kill streamers and that end up buzzing on the internet, but they definitely are far from being the only things that kill "normal" players.


What is the source of that rip btw ? it does not seem to be ice storm call nor arctic breath.

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albusiness a écrit :

I think when people talk about one shots they mean they get bursted down so quickly they literally cannot react.

There are scenari where it's basically the same, and others where there is a player's mistake, but it's easier to say "this game has shit one-shot mechanics so it's not my fault !"

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allbusiness a écrit :

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Snorkle_uk a écrit :

I dunno, I think the 1 shot thing basically doesnt exist either. Not counting "lol I got 4k life magic find derpcopter" idiot softcore builds I sometimes play, just talking about proper characters that are designed to survive, in the last 2 years Ive been 1 shot three times. Were talking 5k+ hours played, 3 times Ive been killed in a single hit and 2 of those were vol blood.

This isnt being dickish or prodding people into a trap or whatever, honest serious question, people who feel like theres a lot of 1 shots, what sort of stuff is 1 shotting you? Am I just getting lucky?

Your builds don't kill fast enough for Volatile to be a big enough problem, Volatiles become a much bigger problem when you're clearing so fast you don't even have time to read mobs, i.e. in Breaches. And believe me, that's not really a stars align scenario either.

lol?


my builds dont clear fast enough for vol to be a problem? What are you even talking about? What experience do you have of my builds and how I play maps?

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I think when people talk about one shots they mean they get bursted down so quickly they literally cannot react. There's almost no difference there other than semantics at that point

no, theres a big difference.

Astarte911 linked an etup death earlier which is him dying to many projectile attacks that are either physical or physical elemental hybird (dont know map mods), and that is supposed to be a 1 shot. Its not a 1 shot, its an instant burst of maybe 9 hits landing together.

In the life vs es thread going on this forum we took a look at what happens when you get hit by a lot of attacks like that without time to react, we took them as each dealing 3k physical damage + 3k elemental damage from a 100% extra as ele map mod and a 9k life kaoms build survived 3 hits, a 16k es build survived 6 hits, a ar+ev 2h build survived 12 hits, a lightning coil evasion build survived 12 hits, a 1h+shield ar+ev build survived 20 hits and an aegis gladiator was immortal essentially.

So when etup kills 9 porcs and gets hit by 9 projectile attacks at the same time, then in the context of saying you need life pool to protect against 1 shots that get past your defense it makes a massive difference. When saying something like ar+ev cant work because of 1 shots that you need a big life pool against, and then showing an example where an ar+ev character can survive 4x to 6x as much damage as a 9k life kaoms build, its a very important distinction to make.