Lets talk armor (the stat)

does taking acro as ci make sense to anyone here? I find it odd that people would do that. 40% attack mitigation and 30% spell mitigation for 50% of your hp pool? Why would anyone make that trade? none of the ci bow builds I have seen use acrobatics. Anyone got links to one?
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allbusiness a écrit :

Every CI bow build? Good job at showing your extreme ignorance. Most of the popular CI bow builds take Acrobatics/Phase and also use Grace/Hatred with Enlighten or mana reservation nodes. Ele convert builds take hatred, most poison builds end up using Grace.

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Snorkle_uk a écrit :
does taking acro as ci make sense to anyone here? I find it odd that people would do that. 40% attack mitigation and 30% spell mitigation for 50% of your hp pool? Why would anyone make that trade? none of the ci bow builds I have seen use acrobatics. Anyone got links to one?

Was thinking the same.

Didn't find even one of them, as...
a) it doesn't make any basic sense.
b) it's already harder to get a big ES pool with quiver instead of shield.
3.5 build: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2299519
Of the popular CI/bow builds I can only think of the darkscorn/soul srike occultists.
TBH don't know any other, though they probably exist.
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allbusiness a écrit :
Alkaizer was top 10 every ladder with a life build. That doesn't mean it's even remotely in the same stratosphere of power of ES builds in general.

I don't care, because it's not the point here.
You are saying that life and armour/evasion are dogshit and ... guess what ?
You are blatantly wrong.
it's easy.

And by extending your logic 95% of the player base is dogshit because they cannot "compete with the economy" ?

/rofl
/rofl
/rofl

pathetic elitism, and cannot understand that PoE is mainly a PvE game and that not being number one does not mean that everything else is terrible.

*sigh*

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allbusiness a écrit :

Every CI bow build? Good job at showing your extreme ignorance. Most of the popular CI bow builds take Acrobatics/Phase[...]

We can stop there, you seem to have no idea what you are talking about here.



SSF is not and will never be a standard for balance, it is not for people entitled to getting more without trading.
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allbusiness a écrit :

Armor and Evasion are dog shit. You can make it work, that doesn't mean it's good. That's like saying I can kill Shaper with a white bow and poison, doesn't mean it's actually viable. What is the whole point of playing armor and evasion when you have to work twice as hard, be strapped into certain gear choices (as in you pretty much HAVE to play block or get a godly amount of life), do far less damage than an ES build, and still have issues against certain forms of damage, predominantly spell/elemental?

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Exactly.

I think everything important was said about scaling of ES compared to life many times i dont know why this thread is still alive.
Life + EV/AR is shitt. What are we arguing about here? Sure it works, but it's heck of a lot painful than just going ES and slapping on block flask and Vaal Pact.

With high enough HP like these CI builds get - you don't need AR. There are easy ways to get some decent mitigation - granite flasks, Fortify.

And same for EV - easy ways to get some avoidance - block and dodge flask.

Honestly you don't even have to bother with EV. Run a 14k CI build with blind flask + block flask + VP and you CANNOT die unless you mess up BADLY. Popping Vaal Grace / Vaal Discipline on a 14k ES build with VP = GOOD NIGHT.


Let's not forget a lot of power these days for both offense and defense is comign from the flasks - and ES builds have access to very powerful flask nodes.

Combine that with how easy it is to get high ES - it is a NO BRAINER.



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Ceryneian a écrit :
Life + EV/AR is shitt. What are we arguing about here? Sure it works, but it's heck of a lot painful than just going ES and slapping on block flask and Vaal Pact.

With high enough HP like these CI builds get - you don't need AR. There are easy ways to get some decent mitigation - granite flasks, Fortify.

And same for EV - easy ways to get some avoidance - block and dodge flask.

Honestly you don't even have to bother with EV. Run a 14k CI build with blind flask + block flask + VP and you CANNOT die unless you mess up BADLY. Popping Vaal Grace / Vaal Discipline on a 14k ES build with VP = GOOD NIGHT.


Let's not forget a lot of power these days for both offense and defense is comign from the flasks - and ES builds have access to very powerful flask nodes.

Combine that with how easy it is to get high ES - it is a NO BRAINER.





Kind of makes sense; You can get massive amounts of Defensive stats from flasks, but you can't get Energy shield from flasks.

Ergo, ES builds have an advantages since they can just use flasks to replicate what Armor/Evasion builds have while Armor/Evasion builds don't have anything to replicate what ES gets.
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zzang a écrit :

I think everything important was said about scaling of ES compared to life many times i dont know why this thread is still alive.

...this thread is about armour, not about "ES vs life"?

3.5 build: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2299519
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Peterlerock a écrit :
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zzang a écrit :

I think everything important was said about scaling of ES compared to life many times i dont know why this thread is still alive.

...this thread is about armour, not about "ES vs life"?



its hard for life not to come into the discussion though since 90% of Energy shield users go for CI nowadays, while Armor builds almost exclusively use Life.
I'm one of those baddies who often build ci builds with like only 6-9k es max or max block necro non-summoners and I get a decent evasion or armour base if i can instead to help supplement defences... often with incandescent heart too.

I really like mitigation > fat pool, since mitigation directly increases sustain effectiveness like leech and regen (but regen scales with pool too). Incandescent got another 80-100ish es anyways now so its even less bad now :).

Having 7k es with incandescent heart is sort of like having 9k+ es anyways when it comes to pure elemental damage (hits only)!

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