Auction house

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LowBudget780 a écrit :

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greySynapse a écrit :

I don't see how a gameplay undermining feature such as an auction house in Path of Exile would yield different results than Blizzard's Diablo 3 Auction House..

Not charging real money to buy items for one.

Real money or not, means nothing. The real reason is they are 2 completely different games, run by 2 different dev teams. The dev teams that made D3 were royal idiots about itemization and drop system and currency. POE has an aactual great currency system, and itemization is thousand times better. Of course there would be some effect more people would sell items, so some prices would drop, however those same items are bottom line cheap in leagues 1 week into it, the rest would hold value due to rarity. Bots would be an issue, but could be handled i would imagine.

Offline AH must be here.
Period.

Automated systems like auction houses end up destroying player interaction.

No.

This is an ARPG, any easy trade system would undermine core gameplay.

Easy =! Good

It's certainly well within GGG's ability to add a trading system that would make trade easy. They don't because they actually know from experience what it would do to the game.

The game is a loot-hunt. Trading is a parasitical element grafted onto that. (Conceptually, the idea is that the ability to trade impacts the perceived value of any given item).

The point at which trading becomes the primary vector for gearing is the point at which the game ceases to be enjoyable.

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grimfeather a écrit :

Automated systems like auction houses end up destroying player interaction.

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Unquietheart a écrit :

No.

This is an ARPG, any easy trade system would undermine core gameplay.

Easy =! Good

It's certainly well within GGG's ability to add a trading system that would make trade easy. They don't because they actually know from experience what it would do to the game.

The game is a loot-hunt. Trading is a parasitical element grafted onto that. (Conceptually, the idea is that the ability to trade impacts the perceived value of any given item).

The point at which trading becomes the primary vector for gearing is the point at which the game ceases to be enjoyable.

Excuse me, but based on your accounts, you are not playing at all.
And no interacting with others.
That's fine tho.

But why are you trying to affect MY gameplay with YOUR preferences?

This is NOT MMO and this game already HAS trading system (if you didn't noticed yet).

If you, personally you, dislike trading and love mindless grind - go on: do not trade with others or even play SSF.

Why others MUST play the way that YOU like? Are you smarter or more experienced? Doubt this.

Do not bring your democracy into the countries, that didn't asked you for that.

P.S. Trading - not only for buying weapons or armors, btw...

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SilverWF a écrit :

Excuse me, but based on your accounts, you are not playing at all.
And no interacting with others.
That's fine tho.

I'm thrilled for you that you have the youth and energy to play as much as you like. But whether or not you think I play enough to deserve an opinion is completely irrelevant.

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SilverWF a écrit :

But why are you trying to affect MY gameplay with YOUR preferences?

I'm paraphrasing Chris Wilson's Trade Manifesto: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2025870

Did you not read it? Did you not understand it?

He clearly outlines exactly how "easy" trade would impact the game as a whole. So, yes (assuming that you're pro-AH and/or pro-easy trade), what you want out of your gameplay would impact everyone else's gameplay negatively (including mine), and what you want does indeed need to be balanced against what I want (regardless of whether you think I deserve an opinion or not).

As shocking as this must be for you, the pro-trade crowd are a tiny, tiny minority of the players as a whole. (I personally would guess no larger than the SSF crowd in terms of raw numbers). And again, I'm paraphrasing what Chris Wilson said, if you have objections to the veracity of that statement, take it up with him. He has the metrics to back up his point. He's speaking objectively when he says

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Chris a écrit :

Most players who play Path of Exile never trade. Out of the players who do trade, most only complete a few trades in a league.

You're speaking anecdotally.

Easy trade (such as an AH) in an ARPG environment erodes core gameplay.

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SilverWF a écrit :

This is NOT MMO and this game already HAS trading system (if you didn't noticed yet).

Yes, I'm well aware of that. More so than you apparently. PoE has a trading system who's primary goal is to enhance player perception of the value of certain key items. It is intended to facilitate a (very) small number of high value trades (per character) and also intended to discourage high volumes of low value trade.

The potential to trade is supposed to be more important than the actual process of trading.

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SilverWF a écrit :

If you, personally you, dislike trading and love mindless grind - go on: do not trade with others or even play SSF.

I do play SSF, I'm thrilled that such a gameplay mode exists. Your assumption that I am therefore completely immune to the impact of an AH (or any other form of "easy" trade) is however completely and objectively incorrect.

I refer you again to Chris Wilson's Trade Manifesto: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2025870

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SilverWF a écrit :

Why others MUST play the way that YOU like? Are you smarter or more experienced? Doubt this.

Because what YOU want would undermine core gameplay and would impact the entire game, not just you.

Game Play and Game Design are two completely different skill sets. Players want many things. Much of game design involves the mechanics of antagonism.

You certainly don't have to believe me if you don't wish to, but once again, I suggest you take a look at the Trade Manifesto. Because all of this is indeed explained there, in considerable detail.

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SilverWF a écrit :

P.S. Trading - not only for buying weapons or armors, btw...

I'm aware, but that remains functionally irrelevant. Regardless of whether or not other items (such as Maps) represent an issue, "Easy" trade is not the answer.

Auction House is the worst idea for this game, ever.

Why?

Because now I can write to someone who listed his item for 1ex and asks if I can buy it for an equivalent amount of chaos or even better, If some discount can be made because I am poor af, or maybe trade for the different valuable item? Who knows? That is how free market works.

I've played a lot of WoW and for me, AH is one of the main reasons for why WoW global chat in game is completely DEAD. People got everything in once place, they can go to dungeons with random people, they can buy shit from random people, and they don't have to even ask about that,they just click one button and done. That is too sad, I don't want to see that in PoE.

I love these debates , so many exile tears !

Lets bottle these tears and sell them on POE.trade as collectors items

People have such short memories.

The Auction house in Diablo 3 killed every sense of item progression in the game.

In order to account of items being 1000% times easier to get via trade, item drops have to be reduced by 1000% to compensate

Why do people not understand that?

Do you not like finding usable gear during your league? do you want 100% of what 99 out of 100 people find to be complete junk, only to use your currency to buy a decent item from the 1 out of 100 people who found something marginally useful?

Please no