Auction house

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trixxar a écrit :

You will get a lot of diehard trolls saying (1) it will ruin the game, with no coherent argument (2) the devs said so, like that means something, or (3) your dumb.

1) many leagues have already proved power creep doesnt destroy the game, from incursion with the omnitect items at low level, to the +% of damage gained as elemental, etc etc. Power creep happens all the time, those leagues werent noticeably worse for the gear.

2) The devs aren't gods, many times devs make bad decisions


Really, an AH for maps and currency items is beyond stupid not to support.

An AH for items is just blind stubborness and trolling not to support.

Go play SSF if you don't want to trade and quit trolling people who don't want to send message to 50 people for one item (ok, thats an exxageration, my record is 43, but my average is probably somewhere around 10 to 12).

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Letmeliveeee a écrit :

1. When trading currency, do not write to people on very top. Their prices are the best and most likely they are already out of stock, and because the market is not updated with each millisecond, you still see his items listed.

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Letmeliveeee a écrit :

2. When you want to buy a cheap item, that costs, for example, 1c, look on time when it was posted. If it was like 2 weeks ago, then most likely dude that is selling this item will not respond because he is packed with currency and people are lazy cucks who will not bother to move ass for 1c. Best thing to do in such case is trying to find the same item for a higher price but with better stats. Chance that someone will answer is much higher because the bid is higher lol. If the item is few hours old then you can write to such person with high probability of success

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Letmeliveeee a écrit :

3. IF you are buying maps and again you are in the middle of the league, set the min price for the map on 1c. I don't know why but in that way I always had 100% success rate with every map, but when I tried to buy the same map for like for example 1 alch, I just stop trying after 20th person dmed

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Miasmia a écrit :

- GGG Makes the game explode millions of useless items per minute and players create ways to hide and filter them.

- GGG Makes it hard to obtain items that you are unlucky to have drop for yourself by forcing us to stop playing to trade items. Players create tools to reduce the time needed to spend buying/selling items. Trade bots are all over the place I have noticed pretty automated trades sometimes. Obvious that a lot of people use Alt accounts with some kind of Trade Bot running so they can focus on playing the game.

- GGG Severely limits stash space and requires you to spend hundreds of $ on stash tabs to make the game playable. Players create mule tools keep track of items stored on mule characters and list them for you without having to relog thus saving time. Mule Bots are a thing allowing easy exchange of items to/from Alt accounts.

If GGG does not cater to our needs, we will and sometimes we will use questionable/risky ways to get the QoL that we deserve. They want certain things to be a certain way but GGG cannot control our behavior in these aspects so why not give us a break?

There are solutions to giving us QoL without breaking the game, just need to put the effort in. Wouldn't it be better if everyone had some convenience instead of those that choose to fill the gap with tools that are Okay as well as against the ToS and even the playing field with those that want to stay legit/pure to the game?

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MortalKombat3 a écrit :

You just wrote earlier "people are lazy cucks who will not bother to move ass for 1c" And now you contradict yourself and trying to tell me, that they WILL move they ass for 1c? Really?
There is no point to discuss further, even.

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Letmeliveeee a écrit :

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trixxar a écrit :

You will get a lot of diehard trolls saying (1) it will ruin the game, with no coherent argument (2) the devs said so, like that means something, or (3) your dumb.

1) many leagues have already proved power creep doesnt destroy the game, from incursion with the omnitect items at low level, to the +% of damage gained as elemental, etc etc. Power creep happens all the time, those leagues werent noticeably worse for the gear.

2) The devs aren't gods, many times devs make bad decisions


Really, an AH for maps and currency items is beyond stupid not to support.

An AH for items is just blind stubborness and trolling not to support.

Go play SSF if you don't want to trade and quit trolling people who don't want to send message to 50 people for one item (ok, thats an exxageration, my record is 43, but my average is probably somewhere around 10 to 12).

You just don't know how poe.trade and other market sites work just like my friend who is frustrated about this just as you, because he writes to 20 people in order to get a response from someone. Let me give you few major rules, and maybe you will be able to cut your avg from 10 to 2-3 like I did:

1. When trading currency, do not write to people on very top. Their prices are the best and most likely they are already out of stock, and because the market is not updated with each millisecond, you still see his items listed.

2. When you want to buy a cheap item, that costs, for example, 1c, look on time when it was posted. If it was like 2 weeks ago, then most likely dude that is selling this item will not respond because he is packed with currency and people are lazy cucks who will not bother to move ass for 1c. Best thing to do in such case is trying to find the same item for a higher price but with better stats. Chance that someone will answer is much higher because the bid is higher lol. If the item is few hours old then you can write to such person with high probability of success

3. IF you are buying maps and again you are in the middle of the league, set the min price for the map on 1c. I don't know why but in that way I always had 100% success rate with every map, but when I tried to buy the same map for like for example 1 alch, I just stop trying after 20th person dmed

4. Sometimes just chill? People often do other things when they play, and afk msg turns on after some time, so if somebody is ignoring you for the last 20 seconds, give him more time.

5. All of above doesn't matter if you are in the first days of the league, because everyone is poor af and everyone is selling everything for cheap as hek, and really there is no way that you will have to wait for response

6. If you are playing on standard, than HAHAHA good luck my dude xD Buying anything on standard is new kind of cancer, and the only thing that works on standard is a lot of toucan praising and a bunch of luck

7. Also you can ignore my advise if you will try to buy something expensive. People will never ignore trade worth few exalts ^^

I had a hard time with trading too when I was little scrub without knowledge about the game, but now? Buying whole set of items for my char takes no more than 15 minutes (excluding item research time obviously).


By the way. Before you will start hating me, read this thread again. Because in your post you mention 3 reasons for why people don't want AH in PoE, and all of them are ignorant af, and I believe that you are not ignorant person, you are just frustrated ^^ Few people provided few good points here on the matter, so good luck in reading and future trading!

Stay sane exile :V

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Chris a écrit :

Easy trade reduces the number of times a character improves their items.
People who are heavily engaged in trade perform fewer item upgrades to achieve their final build. They get there in fewer steps, because they can easily buy items that are close to what they need. Simply put, their character progression is more about trading than it is about getting items from monsters. We believe that it is more fun to slowly and iteratively upgrade a character over time and to have a longer journey to gear a character up. Knowing that a monster could drop something that improves your character is a great motivator for playing one more level!

Easy trade means reducing drop rates
Compare two hypothetical games. In the first game, trade is very difficult. The majority of items that can't be used by your character are not traded to other people. In the second game, trade is very easy. Many of the items that you can't use are traded to other people for items that you can. In the second game, because of trade, you have a much higher acquisition rate of useful items. While that sounds great if you want instant gratification, in reality it means that the second game either receives reduced drop rates relative to the first, or ends up being a whole lot easier and less challenging to achieve goals in.

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Phrazz a écrit :

Easier/more efficient trade means easier acquisition of gear. Easier axquisition of gear, means that they will be forced to lower drop rates to keep their "threshold" of how easy it should be to acquire gear at all levels.

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Unquietheart a écrit :

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SilverWF a écrit :

Excuse me, but based on your accounts, you are not playing at all.
And no interacting with others.
That's fine tho.

I'm thrilled for you that you have the youth and energy to play as much as you like. But whether or not you think I play enough to deserve an opinion is completely irrelevant.

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SilverWF a écrit :

But why are you trying to affect MY gameplay with YOUR preferences?

I'm paraphrasing Chris Wilson's Trade Manifesto: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2025870

Did you not read it? Did you not understand it?

He clearly outlines exactly how "easy" trade would impact the game as a whole. So, yes (assuming that you're pro-AH and/or pro-easy trade), what you want out of your gameplay would impact everyone else's gameplay negatively (including mine), and what you want does indeed need to be balanced against what I want (regardless of whether you think I deserve an opinion or not).

As shocking as this must be for you, the pro-trade crowd are a tiny, tiny minority of the players as a whole. (I personally would guess no larger than the SSF crowd in terms of raw numbers). And again, I'm paraphrasing what Chris Wilson said, if you have objections to the veracity of that statement, take it up with him. He has the metrics to back up his point. He's speaking objectively when he says

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Chris a écrit :

Most players who play Path of Exile never trade. Out of the players who do trade, most only complete a few trades in a league.

You're speaking anecdotally.

Easy trade (such as an AH) in an ARPG environment erodes core gameplay.

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SilverWF a écrit :

This is NOT MMO and this game already HAS trading system (if you didn't noticed yet).

Yes, I'm well aware of that. More so than you apparently. PoE has a trading system who's primary goal is to enhance player perception of the value of certain key items. It is intended to facilitate a (very) small number of high value trades (per character) and also intended to discourage high volumes of low value trade.

The potential to trade is supposed to be more important than the actual process of trading.

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SilverWF a écrit :

If you, personally you, dislike trading and love mindless grind - go on: do not trade with others or even play SSF.

I do play SSF, I'm thrilled that such a gameplay mode exists. Your assumption that I am therefore completely immune to the impact of an AH (or any other form of "easy" trade) is however completely and objectively incorrect.

I refer you again to Chris Wilson's Trade Manifesto: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2025870

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SilverWF a écrit :

Why others MUST play the way that YOU like? Are you smarter or more experienced? Doubt this.

Because what YOU want would undermine core gameplay and would impact the entire game, not just you.

Game Play and Game Design are two completely different skill sets. Players want many things. Much of game design involves the mechanics of antagonism.

You certainly don't have to believe me if you don't wish to, but once again, I suggest you take a look at the Trade Manifesto. Because all of this is indeed explained there, in considerable detail.

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SilverWF a écrit :

P.S. Trading - not only for buying weapons or armors, btw...

I'm aware, but that remains functionally irrelevant. Regardless of whether or not other items (such as Maps) represent an issue, "Easy" trade is not the answer.