Chris Wilson defends instant logout with all the wrong excuses

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Boem a écrit :

^Both of you are presenting it entirely black and white.

You can go full defensive

You can go full offensive

You can go a mix of the two

Either one of those three options will involve an impact on your probability to die when encountering harder and harder content.
There is no issue with this, it's called options and is entirely put on the player for making the correct choice that provides him the best beneficial game-play experience.

To put this in context you might understand more effortlessly.

A player like mathil can make most builds function in end-game with around 5k/6k hp with minimal investment in defensive layers, i would pose that this is not an accurate depiction of the player-base as a whole. But for him, this is his "enjoyable ratio".
He has player-skill to overcome the defensive down-side of most of his builds by actively positioning or building in a way that minimizes the active dangers that oppose his builds(like the "instantly burst a boss down strategy")

For a player with less game knowledge or less player-skill, this will most likely be harder to "copy-paste" or if they do, will result in more frequent deaths then him.

There is nothing wrong with these competing factors.

Peace,

-Boem-

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allbusiness a écrit :

So if you go full defensive and clear at a snail's pace? Ok.



So the game is either you go full defensive or you just accept dying. Because that's the argument you just laid out.

Your extremely poor at condensing what other people are telling you and reading what you want to read.

Because that is not the argument i am making.

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TrichocereusSP a écrit :

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suszterpatt a écrit :

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Zee a écrit :

100% agree with Chris.

There is no way to add a logout timer that would not apply to all kinds of exits, that means when there is a power outage, lag spike, game freeze etc. you would be ADDING a timer to all of those as well. No thanks!!

There already is a timer on those. It's 6 seconds.

Meaning that currently, you're more at threat of dying to a DC than to a manual logout.

Cay anyone confirm this is a wrong information (or a correct information)?

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allbusiness a écrit :

1) Mathil dies, alot. People say he doesn't but he does. He dies all the time, and he is incapable of playing HC because he can't put up with playing slower.

2) Your argument is literally you either go full blown defensive or you accept that at some point die. The glassier you go the more times you die. That's literally it.


The argument people are making is that the game's balance is DESIGNED around having the ability to logout, which means that not logging out is a distinct disadvantage. It would be akin to not using Ascendancy classes; they are 'optional' in the respect that you don't have to use them, but no sane person would ever tell you not to use them. When the game's balance design is around massive spikes/bursts of damage, you would be stupid not to use logout functions especially in a HC environment. If you're pushing for 100, you'd be real dumb not to use logout either. No one is arguing you cannot make a tanky build that can take damage; you can, but you'd be clearing at an incredible snails pace. Said builds are reserved for HC, for which all the silly people arguing about 'damage is fine' all happen to play SC.


It's an indisputable fact that the damage has been balanced around being able to logout. Period. 100%. I don't see why you or Snorkle are trying to argue that the balance is 'fine.'

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Boem a écrit :

How does a person log out against a one-shot?

What relevance does log-out have to do when talking about one-shots?

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Boem a écrit :

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allbusiness a écrit :

1) Mathil dies, alot. People say he doesn't but he does. He dies all the time, and he is incapable of playing HC because he can't put up with playing slower.

2) Your argument is literally you either go full blown defensive or you accept that at some point die. The glassier you go the more times you die. That's literally it.


The argument people are making is that the game's balance is DESIGNED around having the ability to logout, which means that not logging out is a distinct disadvantage. It would be akin to not using Ascendancy classes; they are 'optional' in the respect that you don't have to use them, but no sane person would ever tell you not to use them. When the game's balance design is around massive spikes/bursts of damage, you would be stupid not to use logout functions especially in a HC environment. If you're pushing for 100, you'd be real dumb not to use logout either. No one is arguing you cannot make a tanky build that can take damage; you can, but you'd be clearing at an incredible snails pace. Said builds are reserved for HC, for which all the silly people arguing about 'damage is fine' all happen to play SC.


It's an indisputable fact that the damage has been balanced around being able to logout. Period. 100%. I don't see why you or Snorkle are trying to argue that the balance is 'fine.'

How does a person log out against a one-shot?

What relevance does log-out have to do when talking about one-shots?

And if they are not actually "one-shots" but a rapid succession of multiple damage sources, how is logging out relevant if you can overcome that with player-skill or game-knowledge.

Your assumption is that logging out is beneficial to the survival of a character, which is a flawed premise to start from.

Peace,

-Boem-

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Tnargav a écrit :

I have a solution ... offline PoE. No more latency issues ...