Why did Eternal Orbs have to be removed and not mirrors?

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matt29234 a écrit :

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Apos91 a écrit :

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matt29234 a écrit :

why remove either?

The combination of both existing at the same time creates some seriously detrimental effects as discussed here.

The funny thing is that the removal of eternal orbs didn't even remove them...some people have tons of stashed deposits that they still profit from.

If you removed mirrors, they are rare enough that the problem would be out of the way within a couple months.

what are the detrimental effects? just because you say something has detrimental effects doesn't make it true. thank god GGG doesn't actually read these forums anymore

The detrimental effect is mirror services, which is people making money for doing nothing, something which is not compatible with the market of the game.

A trade should mean that both sides give something away. That's how the game was designed, mirrors took that away.

Lol, ppl hail communism!

Don't you think that mirror gear owners made horrific level of investment to be able to reap their mirror fees?

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tm10067 a écrit :

Lol, ppl hail communism!

Don't you think that mirror gear owners made horrific level of investment to be able to reap their mirror fees?

I do not think they deserve a continuous fee without actively investing more, no.

And, no, that's not communism. Were they to make a 200 ex profit from a single item, I wouldn't care in the slightest. As long as they don't get to keep that item and have the profit propagate passively.

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Apos91 a écrit :

The detrimental effect is mirror services, which is people making money for doing nothing, something which is not compatible with the market of the game.

A trade should mean that both sides give something away. That's how the game was designed, mirrors took that away.

Doing nothing? Do you think these items just appear out of thin air? Wtf are you smoking

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StDrakeX a écrit :

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Apos91 a écrit :

The detrimental effect is mirror services, which is people making money for doing nothing, something which is not compatible with the market of the game.

A trade should mean that both sides give something away. That's how the game was designed, mirrors took that away.

Doing nothing? Do you think these items just appear out of thin air? Wtf are you smoking

Technically, they kinda do. Since they aren't material.

Just saying.

Other than that, no, but that shouldn't warrant a continuous income. One time sell, one profit value. Move on to the next venture of economic gain. Either that, or keep them for yourself.

Instead, we have people both profitting from being able to use the original copy and clearing content fast and making money out of selling it without ever actually selling it.

It's one or the other. Or should we start giving welfare to people who farm a headhunter as well? It's only fair under that logic, just look at that investment! They deserve to be rich forever now!

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Apos91 a écrit :

Technically, they kinda do.

Where are yours then? Why aren't you profiting from the current system? Bringing in headhunter makes no sense whatsoever, an actually apt comparison is the profit someone can make being first to get masters to level 8 for services in a new league. Should we get rid of that also? Why should they be able to charge x amount to craft something for someone? Oh right cause they put in the effort and people are paying the cost of being lazy. It doesn't change the fact that you can do exactly what that person does in terms of crafting, just there's a higher barrier to enter and therefore justifies the license to "print money"

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StDrakeX a écrit :

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Apos91 a écrit :

Technically, they kinda do.

Where are yours then? Why aren't you profiting from the current system? Bringing in headhunter makes no sense whatsoever, an actually apt comparison is the profit someone can make being first to get masters to level 8 for services in a new league. Should we get rid of that also? Why should they be able to charge x amount to craft something for someone? Oh right cause they put in the effort and people are paying the cost of being lazy. It doesn't change the fact that you can do exactly what that person does in terms of crafting, just there's a higher barrier to enter and therefore justifies the license to "print money"

Sorry, but that's not an apt comparison, since you don't get to keep the items that you master craft. You provide a service, each application of that service results in a payment. It's the same for uber lab/uber atziri/shaper boosts.

And all of those have some risks involved in them. Either be it that your master craft might be a shit roll or that whatever you have agreed that you can keep from boosting someone doesn't drop.

Mirrors are not a service. They are straight up selling an item without actually losing it. And without any risk of any failure whatsoever.

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Apos91 a écrit :

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tm10067 a écrit :

Lol, ppl hail communism!

Don't you think that mirror gear owners made horrific level of investment to be able to reap their mirror fees?

I do not think they deserve a continuous fee without actively investing more, no.

And, no, that's not communism. Were they to make a 200 ex profit from a single item, I wouldn't care in the slightest. As long as they don't get to keep that item and have the profit propagate passively.

So what would you say about musicians who get revenue on their songs thorought whole life and even pass it to descendants?

And mirror gear guys still invest their time and skill making transactions in person with those who want to get gg gear.

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Apos91 a écrit :

And without any risk of any failure whatsoever.

And again you seem to not understand that the risk is taken at the point of crafting. For every item you see there's probably thousands that have tried and ultimately failed. Guess what it's 25-30ex a pop to try to eternal craft items nowadays on Standard, where most of this actually matters.

Edit: Adding to this, you seem to not understand that items can run the risk at any time being dethroned, Glyph Mark, Foe Bite and Loath Bane being the most recent examples but that's not even the same as if you produced so many copies that they can be purchased second hand instead of people coming to you anymore, hence destroying the profitability of your services... but okay you do you buddy.