Why did Eternal Orbs have to be removed and not mirrors?

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Apos91 a écrit :

The detrimental effect is mirror services, which is people making money for doing nothing, something which is not compatible with the market of the game.

A trade should mean that both sides give something away. That's how the game was designed, mirrors took that away.

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matt29234 a écrit :

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Apos91 a écrit :

The detrimental effect is mirror services, which is people making money for doing nothing, something which is not compatible with the market of the game.

A trade should mean that both sides give something away. That's how the game was designed, mirrors took that away.

you realize it can take hundreds if not thousands of exalts to craft a truly mirror worthy item, and the payout is typically very slow especially if it's a somewhat niche item or not the very best by a wide margin? that's not "getting money from nothing" or "false value" it's literally the exact opposite. it doesn't "stagnate build diversity" because 99.9% of players can't or won't be able to afford it. why continue to remove chase items which are a goal for some dedicated players? i don't understand this trend where people look for a perceived "problem" and try to "fix" it when it's obvious they don't even know what they are talking about.

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Apos91 a écrit :

I don't care if they are making a profit. I don't care if rich people exist. I care that said profit does not come from a trade that they lose something on their part.

If I craft something with an investment of 10 exalts and I sell it for 50. That's fine. That's how the game works under any other circumstance.

Noone should be entitled to a steady income for doing nothing actively and continuously.

And eternal orbs are not as profittable as people would like to paint them as, unless you are really lucky. The only reason why they reach this high profitability is mirrors.

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linkstatic a écrit :

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Apos91 a écrit :

I don't care if they are making a profit. I don't care if rich people exist. I care that said profit does not come from a trade that they lose something on their part.

If I craft something with an investment of 10 exalts and I sell it for 50. That's fine. That's how the game works under any other circumstance.

Noone should be entitled to a steady income for doing nothing actively and continuously.

And eternal orbs are not as profittable as people would like to paint them as, unless you are really lucky. The only reason why they reach this high profitability is mirrors.

That's cos they already actively worked on it prior to any mirroring. Mirror-tier worthy items are forever stuck as they are, ilvl restrictions and all. Eternals ensure that future item lvl stats can be perfected. Mirrors don't. They are stuck at the current power level forever. And you underestimate how much currency is needed to create a 6 T1 item. Brood Twine cost at least 11 k exalts 2 years ago.

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Apos91 a écrit :

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linkstatic a écrit :

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Apos91 a écrit :

I don't care if they are making a profit. I don't care if rich people exist. I care that said profit does not come from a trade that they lose something on their part.

If I craft something with an investment of 10 exalts and I sell it for 50. That's fine. That's how the game works under any other circumstance.

Noone should be entitled to a steady income for doing nothing actively and continuously.

And eternal orbs are not as profittable as people would like to paint them as, unless you are really lucky. The only reason why they reach this high profitability is mirrors.

That's cos they already actively worked on it prior to any mirroring. Mirror-tier worthy items are forever stuck as they are, ilvl restrictions and all. Eternals ensure that future item lvl stats can be perfected. Mirrors don't. They are stuck at the current power level forever. And you underestimate how much currency is needed to create a 6 T1 item. Brood Twine cost at least 11 k exalts 2 years ago.

And this thing only took an essence and 2 exalts.

So you might be the one overestimating it. It's only a matter of the dice.

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linkstatic a écrit :

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Apos91 a écrit :

You understand that essence crafting can't be diminished with Eternal Orbs because their real niche is that they can provide affixes that are not otherwise attainable on some gear?

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What essences hurt most was the price of the alch orb and that was from 2:1 to 3:1, not big a deal to be annoyed about.

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The other rare gear which you are talking about is already in the 1 chaos alley and has always been there.

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And I'm fine with still needing exalts to brute force. They aren't that hard to get. Heck, you can even reliably farm them now that Bisco's Collar and the Vault map got introduced.

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Apos91 a écrit :

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linkstatic a écrit :

Well, nice ones, good for you. I don't see how they are anything that hurt the market if they took eternals to be made. Or why the bow needs eternals to be made, but that's another thing altogether.

Either way, aren't you admitting that mirrors create copies of items that are worth much more than a mirror's weight in value? Thus mirrors do inflate the market, whereas eternals get used up in large amounts for that one item to be created. And without mirrors, only 1 person would be able to have it at a time and either it would be sold or used.

How is that multiple copies being created is better? Multiple copies of a thousand of exalts investment according to you, each one costing much less than the original.

I don't know, you're only strengthening my perception that mirrors are the elephant in the room here. Eternal orbs seem to be expended just fine according to the same expectations of exalts, chaos, etc.

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grepman a écrit :

this is simply false. before master crafting existed, and rare/unique items rained downed from every source, rare gear was picked up by people actively.

if what you describe was the case, people wouldnt mf farm piety and dominus for rares.