Are Stash Tabs Pay To Win ? Science

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goetzjam a écrit :

Ok you lost me again

that's probably because you have no intention of listening, and are too busy dissecting lines in a post to actually read it as a whole, and understand what it says.

the subtle difference, between parsing and reading.

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johnKeys a écrit :

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goetzjam a écrit :

Ok you lost me again

that's probably because you have no intention of listening, and are too busy dissecting lines in a post to actually read it as a whole, and understand what it says.

the subtle difference, between parsing and reading.

Look your back to your one to two line sentences again. Glad to see you just quote such a small portion of the line in order to make it look like I am the ignorant one, when you are the one that must not even read what you type up.

Trust me when I said I read it as a whole, your whole argument goes back and forth like you are arguing with someone else in your writing, contradicting yourself along the way.

But please if you want to discuss this further address the points I mad rather then trying to put 5 words I said completely out of context.

Read the whole quote and reply to it, not just 5 words.

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but Stash Tabs vs. no Stash Tabs is - in my opinion - a P2W feature in a non-P2W game. the only P2W feature. in a game and company that literally live off player's money. it would be easier for GGG to go "full P2W". many others did in a similar situation. but they didn't. and they deserve a ton of respect for that.]


Ok you lost me again here, you've went from saying that not having stash tabs is more than an inconvenience to saying that are a convenience to saying stash tabs are p2w, but then aren't and again are.

Anyone else that will read my responses and then read the last line should come up with the same conclusion that you indeed are contradicting yourself in the vary points that you make.

I wouldn't necessarily follow the same line of reasoning as John did but I would arrive at the similar summation that stash tabs are a P2W feature in a non-P2W game. I don't think John ever intends for it to be definitive, just as a way of viewing the role of stash tabs in a game like POE, a point of discussion.

It's something I wouldn't bring up at all unless a discussion turns to it. Like, if someone unfamiliar or new to POE asks whether the game is P2W, my response would be no. If the same person plays the game for a while and we end up talking about stash tabs and P2W, I'd say stash tabs can be P2Wish.

Are stash tabs P2W? A firm no. Does it take on P2W elements depending on one's playing experience in POE? Yes. It's a conclusion, not the conclusion. That's how I see it. I'm not going to impose this view on others, however. And to be fair to John here, I don't think he's doing that as well.

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Quixote77 a écrit :

I wouldn't necessarily follow the same line of reasoning as John did but I would arrive at the similar summation that stash tabs are a P2W feature in a non-P2W game. I don't think John ever intends for it to be definitive, just as a way of viewing the role of stash tabs in a game like POE, a point of discussion.

It's something I wouldn't bring up at all unless a discussion turns to it. Like, if someone unfamiliar or new to POE asks whether the game is P2W, my response would be no. If the same person plays the game for a while and we end up talking about stash tabs and P2W, I'd say stash tabs can be P2Wish.

Are stash tabs P2W? A firm no. Does it take on P2W elements depending on one's playing experience in POE? Yes. It's a conclusion, not the conclusion. That's how I see it. I'm not going to impose this view on others, however. And to be fair to John here, I don't think he's doing that as well.

again, very correct man :)

except the "Are stash tabs P2W? A firm no" part - which I think is a "yes", while at the same time "is Path Of Exile a P2W game?" is indeed a "no" in my opinion.
but I am indeed ready to discuss this, because that's an opinion.
what I'm not ready to discuss, is the fact they offer advantage. that's a fact.

Stash tabs let you save a couple of minutes of time every once in a while because you don't have to mule your shit. Getting an SSD would probably give you a bigger time advantage than stash tabs. SSD p2w :D

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Xavderion a écrit :

SSD p2w :D

GGG selling SSDs ?
where? PM me a link, Xav!

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johnKeys a écrit :

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Xavderion a écrit :

SSD p2w :D

GGG selling SSDs ?
where? PM me a link, Xav!

They could sell SSDs and add an exclusive MTX to it. Big dollars.

Oh and the point of my post is that the time advantage is pretty much negligible :)

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Xavderion a écrit :

Oh and the point of my post is that the time advantage is multiplicative, and isn't the only advantage

fixed that for you.

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johnKeys a écrit :

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Xavderion a écrit :

Oh and the point of my post is that the time advantage is multiplicative, and isn't the only advantage

fixed that for you.

u bloody wot m8? If you want to go there, it's additive, but certainly not multiplicative lol. And it is the only advantage (so it's not even additive), GGG are not selling SSDs after all :)

But the thing is stash tabs ALONE are not an advantage, if you start the game as a new player and would like to get an advantage you don't tell someone to buy stash tabs you tell them to read guides, watch streamers, download skill tree planner, ect.

Stash tabs alone do nothing to help the player, you must learn to use them.

So simply saying stash tabs = advantage is wrong, they aren't if you don't know how to use them or simply don't use them.

Then to focus back on the p2w part it simply isn't the amount of people competing in this game is .01% or less, it simply isn't that competitive of a game (if really competitive at all). But lets say you are that .01%, let say you buy the stash tab and never use it, is that an advantage, no. Hell lets say you use it is that an advantage maybe, but if you take another person which cannot afford to spend money and they simply make an alternate account, they now have 3 stash tabs over the person that paid for one and has 5, do they now have the advantage?

In the end it really isn't the stash tabs that provide the advantage that people that have multiple tabs have, its the ability to effectively use them (for shops\trading).

Is PoE p2w, no they don't allow you to purchase gear or better items in order to progress in the game.

Are stash tabs a p2w element, by definition no. Do some people thing they give an advantage, yes, but technically they alone don't its how you use them. Also worth noting that people can create as many accounts as they want, so if something that is for sell is also offered for free, I view that would be advantage as mute.


As for the formula before p2w does = advantage, but any advantage doesn't necessarily equal p2w.