Are Stash Tabs Pay To Win ? Science

Its not P2W because you can achieve the same thing by just making mule accounts and characters. If anything, its P2ST -Pay to Save Time. If anything.

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Wittgenstein a écrit :

Its not P2W because you can achieve the same thing by just making mule accounts and characters. If anything, its P2ST -Pay to Save Time. If anything.

in an arpg saving time = farming faster, which is basically what winning is.

after all, that's why people do things like stack more dps/movespeed/etc

so they can clear content faster.

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Veruski a écrit :

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Wittgenstein a écrit :

Its not P2W because you can achieve the same thing by just making mule accounts and characters. If anything, its P2ST -Pay to Save Time. If anything.

in an arpg saving time = farming faster, which is basically what winning is.

after all, that's why people do things like stack more dps/movespeed/etc

so they can clear content faster.

you don't farm faster with stash tabs. Stash tabs won't provide you with dps/movespeed/etc.

Anyway, you stuck in Path of RNG , Path of desync, Path of Trading, Path of Flipping, Path of Recipe, Path of Stash Tabs, Path of smart use of game mechanic and Forum with bunch of fanboys.

Omg, What a pay to win game, look at those steam charts...game is ded.

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Tom1989 a écrit :

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Veruski a écrit :

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Wittgenstein a écrit :

Its not P2W because you can achieve the same thing by just making mule accounts and characters. If anything, its P2ST -Pay to Save Time. If anything.

in an arpg saving time = farming faster, which is basically what winning is.

after all, that's why people do things like stack more dps/movespeed/etc

so they can clear content faster.

you don't farm faster with stash tabs. Stash tabs won't provide you with dps/movespeed/etc.

Anyway, you stuck in Path of RNG , Path of desync, Path of Trading, Path of Flipping, Path of Recipe, Path of Stash Tabs, Path of smart use of game mechanic and Forum with bunch of fanboys.

Omg, What a pay to win game, look at those steam charts...game is ded.

GAME DED CONFIRMED

EVACUATE BOAT

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Wittgenstein a écrit :

Its not P2W because you can achieve the same thing by just making mule accounts and characters. If anything, its P2ST -Pay to Save Time. If anything.

I prefer the name "pay for convenience". Its just like xp/ip boosts in League of Legends. You don't have to, but it is a great convenience

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mark1030 a écrit :

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bunnyxian90 a écrit :

But I always need to vendor my lower value uniques since I don't have much Stash space to store them to vendor up in poexyz.
Meanwhile people with hundreds of stash tabs able to horde an incredible amount of little things which they can sell over time, even by little but it still an advantage.
Some uniques or rares with potential value around 1-5 chaos, I got to vendor them all.
I even give up on making Chaos Recipe or Regal Recipe already, there is no space for that.

Its kind of one sided when players with at least dozens of stash tabs are the only one saying Stash Tabs are for convenience only, while its obviously have all sort of advantage towards the default 4 stash tab users; time, effort, space, income, possessions and wider range of item sales.
I'm the one that bought a stash tab bundle after given up the effort of mule account or character, they simply not easy to handle since whenever you need an item from them, you need to relog out and in again or opening another client for another account.

And to that I say, how valuable is your time? It takes time to sort/find/upload to shop/respond to whispers/actual trade when you have lots of stash tabs and items for sale. A player with 4 tabs has an obvious time advantage over people with 200 tabs. Can it be argued that it doesn't take more time to upkeep a larger stash? So I say the "advantage" cited in this thread is entirely subjective and dependent on the each individual player's values. If you value having more items, it's an advantage. If you don't, at best it's no advantage and at worst it's a detriment (more time wasted organizing stash, especially after every 4 month league ends). So I say this can just as easily be called pay 2 lose because you lose time (anybody disputing that more stash tabs = more time spent at your stash?).

How come I don't find humanity's thinking in this post?
Those who already owned at least a couple of dozen stash tabs and saying its just paying for convenience while it can be done exactly the same with Mules, I say, get real please.
I wasted a lot of time searching the item in another character and account, lost so much time that I can actually use to play the game or farming.
Meanwhile, extra stash tabs hoarder just click on the inventory and put whatever they found, then use Procurement, set all 1/2/3/4/5 chaos and put in forum Shop.

How I do that in mule account? Non verify items? Another character? yeah, every time someone wanted to buy your items, you got to relog out and choose the character to sell it. Meanwhile, stash tabs buyer just party up with the buyer and sell it fast enough and continue farming.

If you really wanted to defend stash tabs are not pay to win, at least make sure yourself has not purchased dozens of it in your account. The hell.
I bought a 7 Stash Tabs and found out I can put more items, sell wider range of items, save lots of time, lesser pain in the ass searching for the item between chars and account.

This thread is filled with the best science.

As everyone knows, all science is just anecdotes and simile's and metaphors. No actual stats, numbers, facts, or anything of the kind

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bunnyxian90 a écrit :

Meanwhile, extra stash tabs hoarder just click on the inventory and put whatever they found, then use Procurement, set all 1/2/3/4/5 chaos and put in forum Shop.

So you refute my "more time spent the more stash tabs you have" argument by saying third party software makes using your stash tabs faster? All your character's inventories can be viewed using that third party software too. I don't have in depth knowledge of that software but I know it's always getting updated. So when an update comes (if it's not already included) that lets you do exactly what you said with setting all 1/2/3/4/5 chaos in forum shop (not even entirely sure what that means...buyouts?) from mules, would you be satisfied?

And what does my having stash tabs have to do with my opinion? It's my own experiences with both 4 tabs and more tabs that I conclude that having more tabs only allows you to be less efficient (a disadvantage) in what you save. I save way too much stuff. Every new league (I've played in 3 plus standard so far), I put fewer and fewer items in my stash. I've found that I don't need to save stuff that I'll never use and would be junk to anybody I would give it to.

GGG should make an unique weapon called " Pay to Win" .
And it gives you extra stash tabs if you equip it.
AND its a MTX.

I'll definitely pay for a "pay to win" to win this game.

Pay for convenience in this respect.