MANA LEECH IS RUINED

Saying that mana leech and life leech are "the same mechanic" because they both rely on a pool is about as arbitrary as saying an internal combustion engine is mechanically the same as an electric motor, because they "both rely on energy."

Mana and life are fundamentally different mechanics within PoE, so mechanics that rely on each are fundamentally different mechanics from one another.

Now please, stop derailing the thread.

What fundamentally different means is fundamentally different from what you think it means.

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Jojas a écrit :

What fundamentally different means is fundamentally different from what you think it means.

If mana and life were the same mechanic, PoE would be a very different game.

So if I take the Blood Magic keystone, I'm not playing PoE anymore?

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ScrotieMcB a écrit :

So if I take the Blood Magic keystone, I'm not playing PoE anymore?

That means you cast from life. It doens't "turn your life pool into a mana pool."

Mana still behaves fundamentally different from life.

Hilariously enough, the fact that Blood Magic exists is proof that life and mana are very different. If they weren't, that node wouldn't need to exist.

I'm just countering the point that life leech and mana leech are "the same mechanic."

They aren't - because life and mana are different mechanics.

Without reading any of what has been posted here:



My setup, is totally fine and sustains my mana pretty well. (though I do only have 2atk/s)

But I agree on faster attacks with less leech, my mana gets depleted really fast.

I don't think anybody contends that 4L is not too bad to solve as a mana problem.

5L is substantially harder to solve than 4L in terms of mana, and 6L can just be catastrophic. I'd also like to point out that you are using the Mana Leech gem - something not everybody can "afford" to do.

This thread was in regards to mana leech on a spell caster, which unless a marauder, won't be using LL at all. I did forget about the half leech rate, but you are doubling the cost of the spell with BM. I haven't used a spell caster since they ruined CI back in OB.

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SL4Y3R a écrit :

This thread was in regards to mana leech on a spell caster, which unless a marauder, won't be using LL at all. I did forget about the half leech rate, but you are doubling the cost of the spell with BM. I haven't used a spell caster since they ruined CI back in OB.

Interesting.

So unless you rolled as a Marauder, there is a zero chance of using a life pool as a spell-caster?

Pardon me if I classify this as woefully inaccurate.

These days, you are going to see an awful lot of BM casters, because mana was hit very very very hard.

I'm EB, which is about as "overkill mana" as it gets, and I'm still having mana problems.

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Jojas a écrit :

What fundamentally different means is fundamentally different from what you think it means.

I lol'd, good one.

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KenshiD a écrit :

Without reading any of what has been posted here:

My setup, is totally fine and sustains my mana pretty well. (though I do only have 2atk/s)

But I agree on faster attacks with less leech, my mana gets depleted really fast.

Multi-target non-instant skill are highly affected by the leech changes, I don't know how it works with melee splash, it probably counts the whole hit for leeching, and therefore isn't handicapped by those changes in the middle of the fight.

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tikitaki a écrit :

5L is substantially harder to solve than 4L in terms of mana, and 6L can just be catastrophic. I'd also like to point out that you are using the Mana Leech gem - something not everybody can "afford" to do.

If you want to use 6L combo, you need to manage the resources needed to use it, this is just fair.