MANA LEECH IS RUINED

Though in general I'm rather upset about mana leech changes and fortunately I love EB ;) but two notes:

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ScrotieMcB a écrit :

Mana regen is a caster thing, so it should be possible to sustain most, but not all, spells indefinitely off of mana regeneration.

I had CI EK shadow able to cast 6L EK purely from mana regen. I haven't respecced him yet bcouse he was crit EK and with changes to VP he will not function as previously, but regarding mana, no changes for him.

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ScrotieMcB a écrit :

Frankly, I think mana leech is in a good place — not ruined, still good for attackers and for certain spells like Flameblast and Discharge, but not nearly as OP as before. I think mana regen is in a good place, too. It's the relative lack of alternatives to that dichotomy which bothers me. Things like mana on kill are very weak, so is the concept of mana reduction.

Funny, but you describe a little this poor shallow D3, where there is no mana leech, no clarity, no mana flasks and no BM and you have to manage your mana somehow... and "reduced resources usage" mod is quite nice now which makes using such knife worth loosing 20% of potential DPS: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/tmaciak-2450/hero/14008321 ;)

Hmm i run AA + cyclone from my mana regen, even in half regen maps. I don't get it...

Can't you build around the issue's being presented here?

I will agree with scrotie that mana on kill and reduced skill cost are very lackluster atm.
I always consider these passive nodes and just end up skipping them due to the low %modifiers or benefits compared to other notables.

Imo they should just replace the mana on kill passives with 1% elemental leach (applied to all spells/and elemental attacks obviously) and maybe a big notable that gives 2 or 3%. Pretty sure this would be worth speccing in then? It might even allow casters to not need a mana leach gem, which will increase there dps that is sort of lacking imo.

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Boem a écrit :

Imo they should just replace the mana on kill passives with 1% elemental leach (applied to all spells/and elemental attacks obviously) and maybe a big notable that gives 2 or 3%. Pretty sure this would be worth speccing in then? It might even allow casters to not need a mana leach gem, which will increase there dps that is sort of lacking imo.

Shotguning would still have quite a hard time with it imho :S.
But that's definitely not a bad idea.

^well the fall-out of that idea is that a spell user could replace mana leach in his link
set-up allowing him to either go

a) more defensive in link set-up keeping damage in the passive tree.

b) replace mana leach with a damage oriented support and allowing more defensive speccing in the passive tree.

While also allowing elemental attack users to traverse the top of the tree and getting some leach in a form.

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Boem a écrit :

Hmm i run AA + cyclone from my mana regen, even in half regen maps. I don't get it...

Can't you build around the issue's being presented here?

I will agree with scrotie that mana on kill and reduced skill cost are very lackluster atm.
I always consider these passive nodes and just end up skipping them due to the low %modifiers or benefits compared to other notables.

Imo they should just replace the mana on kill passives with 1% elemental leach (applied to all spells/and elemental attacks obviously) and maybe a big notable that gives 2 or 3%. Pretty sure this would be worth speccing in then? It might even allow casters to not need a mana leach gem, which will increase there dps that is sort of lacking imo.

The best way to solve the issue of too expensive skills seems to be to lower the progressive increase of the cost to use certain skills, in a way that various combinations of mana on kill, mana on hit, mana leech, reduced cost and using potions are viable for decent gear- and reasonable skillgem setups.

edit: For example, if you had a high dps but very expensive setup in terms of mana, you would want to take reduced cost and mana on kill. With a rather low cost low-ish dps you would want mana leech and mana on hit, etc.

The leech nerf was just too much. No fun playing anymore. So sad....

GGG seem to be making the same mistakes over and over and over again. Makes you wonder who if anyone they take feedback from, and if any of them actually play their own game anymore.

Think about this, WHO does this change benefit,after thinking for a long time about it i couldn't come up with any-one.

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maxor a écrit :

Think about this, WHO does this change benefit,after thinking for a long time about it i couldn't come up with any-one.

Build diversity.

End of the leech relying build everywhere only, now people have to manage their resources.
It's a less true for casters however, but it still somewhat makes sense.

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Fruz a écrit :

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maxor a écrit :

Think about this, WHO does this change benefit,after thinking for a long time about it i couldn't come up with any-one.

Build diversity.

End of the leech relying build everywhere only, now people have to manage their resources.
It's a less true for casters however, but it still somewhat makes sense.

This would be true if players didnt have 80% plus of the mana already taken by the stupid aura nerfs. It hard to manage a resource you have almost none of to start with.

There is no getting round it its a very poorly thought out change AGAIN from GGG.

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maxor a écrit :

This would be true if players didnt have 80% plus of the mana already taken by the stupid aura nerfs. It hard to manage a resource you have almost none of to start with.

There is no getting round it its a very poorly thought out change AGAIN from GGG.

People make a choice when they choose to have just enough reduced mana reservation to run x aura + a very little bit left.
Now they have to take in consideration that resources management isn't always very easy anymore.
Time to either drop some reduced mana reservation node for mana or take another one for mana.

The aura rework was definitely a buff, but you have to invest more to get more ( quite fair ).
Auras are even so powerful that taking as many aura clusters as possible ( even if it means traveling / spending less points elsewhere ) is often very optimized and powerful, so in that sense, there is still some balancing to do, because player feel like they need as many auras they can have, and take just enough to have a little bit of mana left.