The secret to balancing evasion

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I_NO a écrit :

Path of health nodes

STILL.

Who knew!!!

I can't find a post in this thread but it was something like "endurance charges ...".

With good enough armor you don't need endurance charges anymore.
Sure they will be in your CWDT chain, but they are only really needed on some map bosses
(Maze Vaal et al) and in really sketchy situations involving rooms full of blue rhoas
where you want them just in case.

That 4-th charge feels like a waste to me now...

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CCR5 a écrit :

The only reliable defenses in the game are HP/ES pool, AR, ele resistances, chaos resistance, and HP/ES regen.

They work even if you're disconnected, lagged or AFK.

Everything else is an illusion!!!
And regen is a joke, so...

Everything else is either flat probability (which _will_ fail you eventually) or EVA pseudo prop gimmicks.

Notice how EVA crit reduction is probabilistic as well, it does not guarantee crit will be reduced. Why would you trust in this on HC if you can take reliable 30% crit reduction from Mara tree?

Oh no a 1 in 2600 chance that a crit will get through my evade, my crit evade, my dodge, and my block.

And even then it has to be strong enough to one shot me through enfeeble, 20% DR from endurance charges, and 5k HP.

That leaves... What now?

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Autocthon a écrit :

What now?

Where is you map-ready pure EVA char?

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CCR5 a écrit :

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Autocthon a écrit :

What now?

Where is you map-ready pure EVA char?

I have one, it actually works, it's only dangerous against physical spells ( and to add a handicap, I'm CI not immune to stun ).
And that makes me able to facetank monsters like the incarcerator easily without using flasks.
Well maybe not a vulnerability + Inc monster damage + Inc boss damage, and I think I would still facetank it actually, never tried tho.

Ask Invalesco how he's doing in maps, he's even using acrobatics.

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Autocthon a écrit :

_Oh no a 1 in 2600 chance_ that a crit will get through my evade, my crit evade, my dodge, and my block.

Nice softcore logic.

"1 in 2600" automatically means that if you do it 2600 times, it will happen once with high enough probability.

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Autocthon a écrit :

And even then it has to be strong enough to one shot me through enfeeble, 20% DR from endurance charges, and 5k HP.

you will not have enfeeble in time because damage spikes are quite unexpected
endurance charges will expire, you will have 0

5000 HP is well, 5000 HP, can't argue.

You know EVA is the only thing in the Grand Scheme of Unreliable Probabilistic Defenses to which word "skill" can be applied.

Skilled EVA player in theory can mentally follow entropy counter and take big hits when it's low.

I don't think anyone does it.

EVA must be renamed to Yolovasion.

And of course that obviously incorrect meme which some people like to repeat:
if EVA user is oneshot, AR user must be oneshot as well.

Dammit, look up once AR reduction formula and notice that AR guarantees reduction while
EVA doesn't guarantee anything.

It's completely the opposite.

if EVA user bumped entropy counter to 99 and destroyed, AR user may live (but maybe destroyed as well).


How many of you EVA users count entropy mentally and take Vaal smashes knowing you won't be oneshot?

How about Touch of God (6000+ phys+6000+ lightning, if my calculations were correct)?

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Fruz a écrit :

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CCR5 a écrit :

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Autocthon a écrit :

What now?

Where is you map-ready pure EVA char?

I have one, it actually works, it's only dangerous against physical spells ( and to add a handicap, I'm CI not immune to stun ).

yep, phys spells in Merc A3, roughly where player notices that something is wrong, that damage is kinda out of control and spec IR :-)
As AR user, I don't give a shit about bubbles.

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Fruz a écrit :

Ask Invalesco how he's doing in maps, he's even using acrobatics.

I bet he is not oneshotable (read: knows better).

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CCR5 a écrit :

you will not have enfeeble in time because damage spikes are quite unexpected
endurance charges will expire, you will have 0

enfeeble and endurance charges are not difficult to sustain ...
If you cannot sustain them, it's your problem/fault honestly.

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CRR5 a écrit :

Dammit, look up once AR reduction formula and notice that AR guarantees reduction while
EVA doesn't guarantee anything.

what reduction is guaranteed against a 5k damage hit unless you stack a tremendous amount of armor ?
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you can face tank most heavy physical hitters ( not casters ) with eva, whereas standard armoured build can easily be in danger.



I have never been oneshot by touch of god from merc Dominus, even when it hits ( and I have 0 armor ).
I don't have an extraordinary amount of ES btw.

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CCR5 a écrit :

yep, phys spells in Merc A3, roughly where player notices that something is wrong, that damage is kinda out of control and spec IR :-)

I was talking about map bosses, not evangelist, I have to be a bit more careful against them, but I crush them still.

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Fruz a écrit :

what reduction is guaranteed against a 5k damage hit unless you stack a tremendous amount of armor ?

10.000 AR reduces 5000 dmg to 4285.

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Fruz a écrit :

you can face tank most heavy physical hitters ( not casters ) with eva, whereas standard armoured build can easily be in danger.

The point is that there is an ocean of difference between "can facetank" and "can facetank 100% of the time".

You're facetanking Vaal, those constructs you were ignoring whole time bump entropy counter to 99 right before smash. Everything is rounded to player's disadvantage, so even small hit bump it by 1.

Actually, 10k armor is when you are speced into armor, not really when you just took some armor pieces to have some mitigation, I can bet without much fear of being wrong that most people mapping using armor have more like ~5k armor than 10k, which makes it ~4615 = not really relevant anymore.

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CCR5 a écrit :

The point is that there is an ocean of difference between "can facetank" and "can facetank 100% of the time".

I'm sorry :

You do face tank all the time most heavy physical hitters ( not casters ) with eva, whereas standard armoured build can easily be in danger.
With enough life buffer, this goes also for Vaal Merci ( map version is another story, but people are not really meant to take that hit anyway, most armoured users die to it also ).

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CCR5 a écrit :

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Fruz a écrit :

what reduction is guaranteed against a 5k damage hit unless you stack a tremendous amount of armor ?

10.000 AR reduces 5000 dmg to 4285.

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Fruz a écrit :

you can face tank most heavy physical hitters ( not casters ) with eva, whereas standard armoured build can easily be in danger.

The point is that there is an ocean of difference between "can facetank" and "can facetank 100% of the time".

You're facetanking Vaal, those constructs you were ignoring whole time bump entropy counter to 99 right before smash. Everything is rounded to player's disadvantage, so even small hit bump it by 1.

5 ECharges reduce 5000 damage to 4000, Enfeeble reduces it further against non-bosses.

Minimal EV bump is 5%, if you're EV why aren't you clearing the small enemies anyway? And even if you don't clear them you still have in the vicinity of 85% chance to block the smash. If that's not enough it's telegraphed ridiculously.

And this whole time you are contriving a hypothetical situation, that quite honestly, is not going to realistically happen.

do you know what an Ar character is doing? They're getting hit by all those little hits, losing little chunks of HP, so that when vaal smashes he kills you.

When an argument relies on a contrived "well this could happen" it's not an argument. It's fishing.