The secret to balancing evasion

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Moosifer a écrit :

You don't give an inch, and I'll say you're good with the numbers but go play man. Take a pure evasion build into high level maps and report back on how it feels. In HC there's no joy to the idea over the long term you make out. If evasion goes sour, even one time in the wrong situation it means all that effort gone.

You might pick off my little additional points but you haven't dismissed the main issue that a large life pool is vastly more important to an evasion user than it is to an armor user, yet evasion doesn't have the ability to achieve the same amount.

Theorycraft all you want but this is why people don't trust evasion in HC.

I'm going Acrobatics in Nemesis. For science.

Right now I'm at a point where some things I thought were good weren't, and I need to respec a bit. I imagine a lot of people would just throw up their hands and either quit or get bored where I'm at. I don't give up so easily.

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ScrotieMcB a écrit :

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Moosifer a écrit :

You don't give an inch, and I'll say you're good with the numbers but go play man. Take a pure evasion build into high level maps and report back on how it feels. In HC there's no joy to the idea over the long term you make out. If evasion goes sour, even one time in the wrong situation it means all that effort gone.

You might pick off my little additional points but you haven't dismissed the main issue that a large life pool is vastly more important to an evasion user than it is to an armor user, yet evasion doesn't have the ability to achieve the same amount.

Theorycraft all you want but this is why people don't trust evasion in HC.

I'm going Acrobatics in Nemesis. For science.

Right now I'm at a point where some things I thought were good weren't, and I need to respec a bit. I imagine a lot of people would just throw up their hands and either quit or get bored where I'm at. I don't give up so easily.

Oooo I wanna know what you thought would be good and wasn't.

Personally my acrobat is on Domination... But that's because I don;t really feel like spending 6 months trying to tiptoe through the last 2 areas of A3.

Honestly, I still rather invest the points from acro into life or DPS. With grace it's very easy to stay over 50% evasion and with a shield you pick up most of the benefit from acro w/o the drawback. I'd only do acro if I couldn't use a shield. Which without a shield I'm not sure I'd used evasion at all tbh.

I only have acro because my guy is going to be a pvp build and RT doesn't count against dodge. Gonna be some upset RT builds facing shield/acro builds when they realize they can only hit them about 10% of the time.

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Autocthon a écrit :

Oooo I wanna know what you thought would be good and wasn't.

Spectral Throw, honestly. Although perhaps it's just gear woes, I haven't had a really good weapon upgrade since A3 Normal, all the crap I've been finding since has been like "Well, this gives me +3 DPS over the old one, so sure, I'll swap." My killspeed leaves much to be desired, although Fire Trap with stacked burning damage is amazing; although I originally planned it as a secondary, it's become primary. Along with the "who cares about weapon DPS?" Viper Strike.

I also really need to pick up more life regeneration. I only have 1% right now and that's kind of miserable. I find myself routinely using life flasks in completely non-emergency situations, like it's just par for the course. I'm fully aware that this is hardcore and you want to save such things for emergencies. Since my current 1% is from Shaper, I plan on spending three points to get another 1.2%... but even after that, I'd really like more.

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Moosifer a écrit :

I only have acro because my guy is going to be a pvp build and RT doesn't count against dodge. Gonna be some upset RT builds facing shield/acro builds when they realize they can only hit them about 10% of the time.

Acro-shield builds have had a 82.5% avoidance in PvP for a long time.

Maximum now is what? 86.8% avoidance. Unless there's something I'm forgetting.

I propose you start scion, get Acro+US and use a significant amount of ES (who cares if its halved it's still "real" HP)

I'll have max block, possibly using anvil too so 87.4% for me.

I was gonna go ES + acro too but with the gear I'm using, the weapons I wanted to use (to prove a point, which so far is very fucking proven) I saw no possibly way to have enough ES to not get crushed in PVP. Then my friend gave me kaoms after I gave up on the build and suddenly a world of possibilities was opened lol. I wonder why the item was nerfed?

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Autocthon a écrit :

I propose you start scion, get Acro+US and use a significant amount of ES (who cares if its halved it's still "real" HP)

30% dodge is a 10/7 EHP multiplier; since the most spell dodge you'd get is 30%, I'd set the cap there. If you have more ES than Life, this means that Acro isn't worth it; 7 life + 7 ES = 14 ehp, 7*(10/7) + 7*(5/7) = 15 ehp.

Really, RT just needs its benefit changed to "Doubles your Chance to Hit with Melee Attacks." Against moderately Evasive enemies, like hybrid AR/ES or pretty much every monster ever, nothing would really change, 95% hit would still be achieved. However, pure Evasion players would do better against RT in PvP, maybe sneaking out a 20% chance to evade or something similar.

If RT didn't completely ignore my evasion most RT users would have under a 10% chance to hit me. IMO acro isn't great for PVE but it's OP in PVP.

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ScrotieMcB a écrit :

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Autocthon a écrit :

I propose you start scion, get Acro+US and use a significant amount of ES (who cares if its halved it's still "real" HP)

30% dodge is a 10/7 EHP multiplier; since the most spell dodge you'd get is 30%, I'd set the cap there. If you have more ES than Life, this means that Acro isn't worth it; 7 life + 7 ES = 14 ehp, 7*(10/7) + 7*(5/7) = 15 ehp.

Really, RT just needs its benefit changed to "Doubles your Chance to Hit with Melee Attacks." Against moderately Evasive enemies, like hybrid AR/ES or pretty much every monster ever, nothing would really change, 95% hit would still be achieved. However, pure Evasion players would do better against RT in PvP, maybe sneaking out a 20% chance to evade or something similar.

Not stacking ES as a primary defense, just using ES gear, because player damage is so ridiculous anyway, might as well get a free couple thousand max HP.

Okay.. I searched a little bit in the forums, after I got a warning, that Evasion is the worst possibility for Defense and found many threads and ppl who were explaining Evasion and so on, demending its quite good.

So just simply answer me the question with yes or no, to be sure:

Is Evasion (maybe with high HP) balanced with armor, or still a bad decision?

Thanks