The secret to balancing evasion

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k4n3 a écrit :

there is so much garbage in this thread.

i solo 76-78 maps on daily basis with my groundslam lvl 94 marauder who has base 1.2k armor and 5k evasion (with grace) and ondar's guile. if i need armor i pop granite and have 9k armor. having 9k life helps a great deal since at times i get hit for 3-4k dmg from rare bosses and 4-6k from map endbosses or about 1.5-2k from blue bubblers in 78 maps when i do vulnerability map. if i had legacy kaoms instead of the new one i would have 11k life and even easier mapping.

i have no problem to kill academy boss, just need to kite him and use bookcases as protection from his phys dmg spells. the only affix thats makes him very dangerous is multiprocectiles and temp chain + chilling ground as your movement, thus kiting abilities are severly handicapped. i only avoid when he has multiproctiles + temp chains or other deadly combo.

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Moosifer a écrit :

We've had this discussion, and I'm fairly sure we are talking completely different points in the game unless you did alot of high level mapping in CB, which evasion was worse then and maps didn't have such high spike damage.

Generally evasion classes get less base life and don't get the big % nodes so they have to invest more passives to get the same amount of life, but even still they have lower str so even if they have a slightly higher % total they end up with a lower overall health pool than a STR user, hence my suggestion to add more/better flat life passives to DEX tree.

You talked about using blind, end cry and granites. If you use blind you are cutting your DPS down (although you can put it on tempest shield but it won't proc very often, especially compared to a high APS skill). If you lower your DPS you end up taking more damage because combat lasts longer. This only works in isolated situations where it's you vs a boss which doesn't happen often in maps.

End cry is good but unless you're using kaoms rings, if you stick to DEX side of the tree at best you're getting 1 charge from tree and 1 from bandits. 25% reduction is not great, ask any armor user as their biggest complaint is how shitty armor is against hard hits, making them rely on, you guessed it, their high life pools. Except they can have 7 end charges, 5-10% (or more if they have good gear) DR from their armor as well, with the big life pool.

For an armor user, using an iron skin granite can bring them from 10k armor to 30k, for an evasion users, they get 6k armor (less if acro), so it's virtually useless because in the situations you need it, it will be under a 5% DR.

You know your shit so I'm not going on a full scale attack but you have no characters that are in maps and it's hard to really listen to someone saying evasion is fine without them at least experiencing a 75+ map using pure evasion. From my experiences with it, less than 4k life, with any tricks you'd like to add, you're going to get crushed and 4k is being kind. I have end cry and enfeeble on cast on damage so everything ends up with enfeeble and like I said the last time we had this discussion, it's the elemental damage that fucks me up. Even with 6.5k life I find myself down under 2k suddenly. DEX users can't get elemental adaption and DW users (like my current build) can't user saffells w/o a giant drop in effectiveness.

So again, I respect your opinion and agree during playthrough that evasion is great. End game it's garbage without high life. Feel free to prove me wrong but unless you're going extreme tank you'll find the same results I have.

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Moosifer a écrit :

How do you have any issues with reflect? My guy basically only had acro and kaoms the other had 40% evasion and 5k life, neither had issues and that's with crit. Both had higher DPS than you, the latter used crit reave so I had the same, if not bigger AOE in large packs.