How to fix the whole Righteous Fire problem
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Bad fix imo.
A better solution would be to remake RF. At this time the More spell dmg is fixed around RF lvl instead it should give More spell dmg per flat amount of HP Example: 10% More Spelldmg per 600 HP as an example a char with 4K hp would gain 66% More spell dmg a char with 5K would gain 83% More Spelldmg. Maybe a cap on it to limit how good Kaoms heart would be with it in the old leagues. This way RF would actually work as how they intended it to be. Remember that RF was in the game long before Shavs was and it crings me everytime people blame shavs for being OP when it's in reality just RF that is OP when combined with shavs. Which I don't think the devs intended it's like 3x dmg to use it with no real downside what so ever. "I'm afraid if I stop drinking the cumulative hangover will kill me" ~ Sterling Archer IGN: Angryweasel / PopTheWeasel Dernière édition par Angryweasel#2578, le 2 août 2013 à 01:29:11
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"The thing is, we both remade it. There are two key elements to RF, the benefit and the cost (what it drains). You're focusing on the former, I'm focusing on the latter. The thing is, I don't think you're really going to make any headway focusing solely on changing the benefit, because what you really build around with RF is the cost. Currently life-based RF builds are dead because they can't pay the cost, and that wouldn't really change, so very few would use it in a life-based manner, especially not in Hardcore/Onslaught. With non-CI ES having little incentive to use it, no one would use the skill at all. This isn't about nerfing a skill to the ground to make it unusable. Actually, having RF stop when you run out of ES (not life) is actually a pretty huge buff for the casual user of the skill. Not so great for CI, but very solid for hybrid life/ES users. Blood Rage drains life (unless you have CI); Arctic Armour drains mana. I believe Righteous Fire should specifically drain ES, and only ES. It is, after all, the caster equivalent of those skills. (Perhaps Blood Rage should be a red gem.) When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted. Dernière édition par ScrotieMcB#2697, le 2 août 2013 à 02:33:12
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making it drain ES rather than life only seems natural. good fix.
studying for GGG's C++ technical exam...
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I don't want to write a lengthy post, I simply disagree with both suggestions. I don't think there is a 'problem' in the first place that needs addressed.
Dernière édition par DestroTheGod#5470, le 2 août 2013 à 03:07:44
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" Well RF was actually meant for life based chars they could adjust the fire dmg you take now when the HP pool has been nerfed. Plus if you changed it to ES the burn dmg on enemies would be a lot higher (Same as the old Kaoms heart RF build) And you can still out-regen with regen from tree and shav ring your fix is not a fix at all ;) They should honestly just fix it so you get more spell dmg the more life you have It would instantly fix it and keep the spell as how it was intended to be used. "I'm afraid if I stop drinking the cumulative hangover will kill me" ~ Sterling Archer IGN: Angryweasel / PopTheWeasel Dernière édition par Angryweasel#2578, le 2 août 2013 à 03:10:10
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"Right now you've got some people not even taking Zealot's Oath, just using Shav's Ring. That actually has a huge drawback in that you need Mana Leech support on everything... but also has a large benefit in that you can take Vaal Pact while still keeping Righteous Fire up. My suggestion would put an abrupt halt to such shenanigans. In terms of the core ZORF concept (without VP), you're right that it would still be doable, but you'd either need to commit much, much more heavily to it. I'm shooting for the amount of commitment that was required prior to ZO existing, and I think I'm not too far off. That build wasn't OP at all back then; I doubt RF would be OP after my suggestion, either. Remember that we're trying to remove the OP here, not blast away at a skill until there's nothing usable left. When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted.
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" The problem is, that you are proposing changes which greatly influence late game, basing on knowledge of early game, which are two almost complete separate game experience. To be efficient in late game, you have to use any trick game mechanics delivers, including the ones you like best, as 7 auras stacking, IR, non-stop skill spam, RF low life etc. And majority of players don't want to be just viable, they want to be efficient, so don't be surprised, if they don't want to hear suggestions how to invalidate characters they were working hard from somebody who even didn't met Pietia in Temple. And regarding RF low life... let's say that one of my friend some time ago changes build to low life RF. In probably more than 50 exa worth eq he just leveled to killspeed of my LS templar in maybe 5 exa worth items. With worse survivability. Of course, he has potential to increase DPS and survivability, but it means even more currency thrown in. So, should we expect new awesome suggestion, how LS should work? Or maybe it is enough that you want to invalidate survivability of my character by your proposed IR nerf? :P Anticipation slowly dissipates... Dernière édition par tmaciak#3784, le 2 août 2013 à 03:43:01
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" Why don't you just wanna buff a skill you use, Scrotie? If you want some boost to spell damage fit for hybrid builds, if you like them, make a new skill then. Why don't you want to nerf dual spork totem builds? Or 90 K dps dual strike? Or Aurora Aegis build with Infernal Blow (this shit is crazy as fuck, my buddy solo facetanks lvl 77 6 man Piety with -max res/additional projectiles)? Or are they the next builds on your list? What about the discharge builds, Scrotie pls...? I think I could come up with even more shenanigans fit for nerfing, but then again, what would be left? Mediocre, boring builds that let you kill some lvl 69 map boss if your're lucky? Meh... This is just hopeless... edit: " Mana Leech is not that huge of a drawback. Run no-regen maps easily. Very easy affix with very high quality bonus, love it. Or maybe you're so spoiled Scrotie you want to rely only on your mana regen, and wish to keep all your sockets for DPS supports? IGN Kinnat (S) / Sihaam (S) / Aedhammair (S) / Ranulfr (S) ☄ 1.0.0 The Butchery of Mages Patch Dernière édition par entropus#2713, le 2 août 2013 à 07:19:53
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It takes a lot of dedication to do Temple Piety, and I do not and will not play 40 hours a week to get there. It shouldn't be a requirement to make a suggestion. Plus, there's Twitch implementation now; I have watched several players (random forumers w/ Twitch icons) running maps, using RF, even caught part of a RF Temple run.
Re Dual Strike: Pure e-peen. 90k single-target < 10k LA. Mathematically there's no good reason not to go Cleave instead. Re Spork Totem: RF isn't a spam skill, and potentially has implications for any build which uses spells, including this one. I believe it would make a lot more sense to change RF per my suggestion and buff other spells than simply nerf Spark. When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted.
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" Scrotie, you do not stick to the point. I am not saying about getting to map. I say that build solo facerolls 6 man lvl 77 Piety with each and every brutal map affix. The equipment is around the same cost needed for a 5L Shav's. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prkMIPV7qMQ So why not nerf that build it if you want to nerf RF? " Why do you think that Dual Strike is single target? Heard of Multistrike/melee splash? Why not nerf Cleave then? I have only 5K DPS on my FP on RF. Cleavers have like 30-40K DPS easily with gear of approximate price (30 exa for 5L Shavs)? " So what it isnt a spam skill? It's so OP it's just not funny. It's absolutely safe, and each and every sporker I run maps with could use IIR/IIQ as one of the support gems. As I said, there's a lot OP builds. U believe they're next on your list of 'fix the problem of X' threads, where x=cleave,spork,aegis aurora tank,etc. IGN Kinnat (S) / Sihaam (S) / Aedhammair (S) / Ranulfr (S) ☄ 1.0.0 The Butchery of Mages Patch Dernière édition par entropus#2713, le 2 août 2013 à 15:05:47
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