How to fix the whole Righteous Fire problem

I disagree with this thread. A quick summary from my perspective:

Shav is OP because it frees up a mod slot on every single other piece of equipment. It's not as though Shav doesn't receive chaos damage anymore, but it isn't "75% chaos res or die" either. RF isn't OP at all. Its (incredibly well designed) drawback was made irrelevant by ZO and by the easier mod rolls allowed by Shav. But, imo, the latter I'm fine with, it's ZO that needs a fixin'.

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ScrotieMcB a écrit :

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Zanixx a écrit :

So is RF acually OP @ multiple specs or are people just whinging about sporkers again - RF is not a 'spark-only' synergy.

Correct.

Nor is Shav's heinously OP; it's just a low-life (meaning PA) enabler. It has synergy with RF, but it's not the same strategy at all; RF doesn't require low-life, it just requires non-CI ES. If it isn't obvious to everyone, you don't need to be jealous of Shav's owners, you can make a build with more ES cheaper, still keep your life up (including a life flask) as a Chaos cushion, and run RF just fine. All RF needs to be enabled is Zealot's Oath and some life regen nodes; that's it.

Which means, yes, I am attacking a build, not gear. I thought this was obvious when I suggesting nerfing a skill gem in the OP, but I imagine if their wasn't confusion involved I wouldn't have needed to write the paragraph before this one.

No, you are wrong.

Why use Shav's when you dont use RF as it is?
Is there even ONE build that doesnt use RF while wearing Shav's? Maybe some split-arrow low-life IIR/IIQ ranger for farming LT2-3.

With nerfing RF, Shav's gonna be pretty much useless.
Nerfing RF nerfs Shav's.

BTW Scrotie, some questions for ya.
http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/485767/page/2#p4290532

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Apprentoo a écrit :

There is no problem with RF, if you want to use it you have to make a serious investment in life regen, ES regen, passive points and either huge ES or specific regen items.

Nonsense. The key to making RF work isn't Shav's, it's maximum fire resist. With as little investment as a Rise of the Phoenix shield, decent ES gear (4.2k-ish, taking pains to avoid +Life, keeping Strength to about 100, and hopefully getting some Chaos resistance), the Templar-area 1% regen node, you can sustain RF forever. Not quite with Inner Force, that would take a little more effort, but you'd still get about 80% more spell damage.

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mazul a écrit :

If it only were that simple :D. Whining about Shavronne's, Kaoms and Lioneyes has happened for many months both by people who own them and do not own them. There is a reason for why Kaom was removed from Onslaught and Anarchy.

This was never intended to be a unique item QQ thread. I'm not QQing any uniques here.

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CanHasPants a écrit :

I disagree with this thread. A quick summary from my perspective:

Shav is OP because it frees up a mod slot on every single other piece of equipment. It's not as though Shav doesn't receive chaos damage anymore, but it isn't "75% chaos res or die" either. RF isn't OP at all. Its (incredibly well designed) drawback was made irrelevant by ZO and by the easier mod rolls allowed by Shav. But, imo, the latter I'm fine with, it's ZO that needs a fixin'.

I used to believe that too. But I've been thinking about it, and RF's current design is laughably useless if you aren't built specifically for it. Who wants to reduce themselves to one life through self-inflicted burning damage? No one? I thought so. On the other hand, a design that lasts 4 seconds on 75% fire resistance and only eats all of your ES, without touching your life... that's something you can actually imagine a level 20-something character using on occasion, because it's not idiotically suicidal. It would be nice if Righteous Fire actually had some utility in races and such, where builds aren't as strict. The original design fails horribly at this objective and caters only to the "build around me" objective, requiring specific commitments of some kind (even if it is just a single unique and decent rares).

As such, I've made my piece with Zealot's Oath. It's not ZO that's bad because RF goes from stupid horrible to stupid amazing after taking ZO; it's RF's fault for being stupid horrible before, and stupid amazing after.

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entropus a écrit :

With nerfing RF, Shav's gonna be pretty much useless.
Nerfing RF nerfs Shav's.

No, and sort of, in that order.

The "No" part: Shav's still gets PA, and Shav's still gets life as an aura reservation resource. It still gets Redbeak and Wondertrap. RF is far from the only trick Shav's has, and it would still be a highly sought-after unique. I don't want to nerf those cool low-life tricks.

The "Sort of" part: I've never denied that the two have strong synergy; plus, as a non-CI ES build, why would you not go RF? The extent to which an RF nerf is a Shav's nerf is the extent to which a pure ES chest isn't optimal for CI — and Shav's has a pretty large "I am not CI" label on it. The thing you need to understand is that there are lots of ES chests, including pretty much every rare ES chest with a Chaos resistance affix, that also get that label. This isn't specific to Shav's at all; Shav's just happens to be the widely regarded best-in-slot for the build as a whole.

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ScrotieMcB a écrit :

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entropus a écrit :

With nerfing RF, Shav's gonna be pretty much useless.
Nerfing RF nerfs Shav's.

No, and sort of, in that order.

The "No" part: Shav's still gets PA, and Shav's still gets life as an aura reservation resource. It still gets Redbeak and Wondertrap. RF is far from the only trick Shav's has, and it would still be a highly sought-after unique. I don't want to nerf those cool low-life tricks.

The "Sort of" part: I've never denied that the two have strong synergy; plus, as a non-CI ES build, why would you not go RF? The extent to which an RF nerf is a Shav's nerf is only because Shav's has a very prominent "I am not CI" label on it. The thing you need to understand is that there are lots of ES chests, including pretty much every rare ES chest with a Chaos resistance affix, that also get that label. This isn't specific to Shav's at all; Shav's just happens to be the widely regarded best-in-slot for the build as a whole.

1 No ?
30% more DPS? You serious?
Two auras more because you can put them on life? For an item that's one of the rarest in the game?

Redbeak...? Wondertrap...? Yep, Scrotie, you made my day.

After buyting/finding a unique item worth 25 Exa I will surely not spend 5 more Exa to get GG boots and a GG wand (90% spell dmg, 10 faster cast, crit multi) but will use boots with no ES and a 100% dmg weapon.

And no, I dont care for IIR man. I dont want to farm, I want to play PoE.

2 Sort of?

With a non-CI ES build I would not round around maps with chaos damage and 25% faster/30% more damage mobs with Chaos damage. That's why I would not use RF - I would have no char to use it on.

Also, as a personal taste, I shun hybrid as non-canonical, not keeping with the true spirit of being a sorcerer-type of character. Either go full-magic and keep some feeble, little physical form, or be a 100% Conan-style marauder.

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entropus a écrit :

30% more DPS? You serious?
Two auras more because you can put them on life? For an item that's one of the rarest in the game?

Redbeak...? Wondertrap...? Yep, Scrotie, you made my day.

Why should I even CONSIDER using that items?

Redbeak is truly just a budget wand, but Wondertraps are actually pretty amazing. And scoffing at 30% more DPS and extra auras shows how spoiled you really are.

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entropus a écrit :

Why should I put on WT? To get rid of 1/5 of my ES I have on boots?

Do you actually play this game? There's no way your boots are 20% of your ES. More like 10%. And the answer to why you'd give up that 10%: for 100% IIR, that's why.

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entropus a écrit :

With a non-CI ES build I would not round around maps with chaos damage and 25% faster/30% more damage mobs with Chaos damage.

You wouldn't. And I'm not of the opinion that every build should be able to run every map; actually, I quite emphatically believe that every build should have maps which it should not run.

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entropus a écrit :

Also, as a personal taste, I distaste hybrid as non-canonical, not keeping with the true spirit of being a sorcerer-type of character. Either go full-magic and keep some feeble, little physical form

Then go CI.

There should be always something negative in uniq item.

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K1kk0m4n a écrit :

There should be always something negative in uniq item.

The negative of Shav's is that it has 500ish ES when you could get 800-1000; also only one resist. Your argument is invalid.

Like I said before, this isn't a unique QQ thread; this is a RF thread.

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ScrotieMcB a écrit :

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K1kk0m4n a écrit :

There should be always something negative in uniq item.

The negative of Shav's is that it has 500ish ES when you could get 800-1000; also only one resist. Your argument is invalid.

Like I said before, this isn't a unique QQ thread; this is a RF thread.

Is that negative? Think littlebit how many casuals have 3-400sh es armor

Not your everyday 1000ES armor

I was just pointing out that there is uniqs with real negative effect and there is "negative" effects.

Why not change RF dmg problem solved?

Scrotum I truly loathe almost every suggestion you have for this game & hope that the devs are completely ignoring you as if they implement any of your crap this game is going to go downhill really fast. Horrible.