Shavronne's Wrappings is facebreaker

I used to think you were cool, Xpire :( Now you're just a big jerk face!

Nah, really though, I understand and actually agree on some level. OP builds are what make the genre fun, and having something worth striving towards is what makes it rewarding. However, that does not mean balance should be entirely disregarded, as it is necessary in order to make your choices and acquisitions meaningful.

In this case, low life appears to be a core build. It is present on the skill tree, unlike unarmed builds which require Facebreakers to enable them. The issue here is that there is no other alternative to Shavs, except to make a more costly, less effective investment in full chaos res rares. In this regard, Shavronne's existence is detrimental to low life builds, as it makes the decision making process meaningless--in a game which seeks to emphasize the importance of choices no less!

The point is, you can be rightly OP with low life and max chaos resists too, but what's the point when Shav does it better and frees up a mod slot on every freaking other item you can wear? This isn't a juvenile whine-fest like dual totems were--"nerf totemz cause tey r bettr then my build n i cant win as gud with out them." This is a matter of the unique being BiS with no viable alternative. For PoE's meta to remain healthy and diverse, with meaningful choices, Shavronnes needs to be nerfed one way or another. I agree, fuck acrually touching the item, let it be, but something has to happen as an alternative, to make it worth choosing not to use Shav (which is, by its nature, an indirect nerf).

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Idioticus a écrit :

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Xpire a écrit :

Yeah and they have uber good ones aswell that costs 90 exalts.

Lets nerf them too!

And this is no point in even discus. Considering we don't think alike.
But I still don't get why this hurt you in anyway.

discussions are the most important, when held by people who don't think alike. If you only want to talk with people who think like you, you'll end up talking with yourself.

Rares do not enable a build, Shavronne's does.
Incidentally, the build that shav enables, makes it BiS.

Well, I'd argue that even in a full rare item build, if the rares are crap, the build won't work at all (no max rez, shitty DPS, minimal armor/eva, low life/ES or whatever else you need to survive and kill). So I guess if you look at it that way, all gear is somewhat a build enabler.
And yeah, perhaps I'm nitpicking :). But I do have a few characters that I know would work...if only the rares I have wouldn't be so crap.

Plus I'm a bit worried how GGG goes around balancing stuff...not impressed so far, especially coz I think they're nice chaps with good ideas otherwise, but balancing wise...meh. I will say my views are skewed a bit coz of the gameplay style I imposed on myself.

Well CanHasPants. This is what the current forums makes such a reasonable man into!

And I've always been a jerk! Feeding on easy pray and what not? :3 Trolling with Russell.. You name it.

And on topic, yes ofcurse you can discuss something that you don't agree on. But when you are blue and I'm red the point is gone. It's like playing the game why / why not. No point what so ever.

But I still see what you mean. But build enablers are awesome, why take away something from the game that actually make sense. If you've farmed for a gasilion hours or just have been smart with trades then why shouldn't you be able to get something out of it? It's like working in real life.

Some one that gains you alot of money can't buy a Ferrari or a Porsche due to your Neighbour can only afford a Opel.

That statement is kinda off the game, but I still think It's the core issue... Why should he when I can't? And good for him, for having such a blast with a totem build! :D

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Xpire a écrit :

due to your Neighbour can only afford a Opel.

OI ! whats wrong with Opel ?!

Love my opel :D

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xreasonz a écrit :

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Xpire a écrit :

due to your Neighbour can only afford a Opel.

OI ! whats wrong with Opel ?!

Love my opel :D

Hahahhahah <3

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Xpire a écrit :

It's not the same.... Facebreaker build isn't even that strong and therfore, the item is cheap.

Actually, Facebreakers are used as a key item in many of the strongest and most popular Melee builds (Dominating Blow, Fist Of The North Star, Infernal Blow, Crit Facebreakers, etc.). But they're not worth that much. Even high-roll ones (and with a 200 range, that says something). There are a LOT of people running unarmed builds, because they're cheap to gear for endgame and usually pretty darn effective. But Facebreakers still don't go for much. You know why? Well, it may have something to do with the fact that I have literally dropped no less than 5 of them in the time I've been playing the game. Whereas Shavronne's... nothing.

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silidons a écrit :

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gfurm a écrit :

You don't need Shavronne for low life:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr-I62SCGoU

But I'm not saying it doesn't gives you more survivalibity.

Nice Job Bro! Standard league is hard!

I didn't notice it was another standard vs hardcore thread.

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Cerest a écrit :

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gfurm a écrit :

You don't need Shavronne for low life:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr-I62SCGoU

But I'm not saying it doesn't gives you more survivalibity.

Notice this is at docks? Are there chaos mobs are docks? No. Can you get to level 80 in a reasonable amount of time only grinding at docks? no.

Let’s go to the wharf, wharf
Let’s go get away
They say, what they gonna say?
Have a drink, clink, can't survive
Bad bitches like me need CI

Watch again. And show me chaos spitting snake in docks when you finish.

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gfurm a écrit :

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silidons a écrit :

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gfurm a écrit :

You don't need Shavronne for low life:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr-I62SCGoU

But I'm not saying it doesn't gives you more survivalibity.

Nice Job Bro! Standard league is hard!

I didn't notice it was another standard vs hardcore thread.

Because it's a build that you wouldn't risk running in HC as anything other than a novelty to prove that you could do it. There's little chance that anyone who values their character in HC would take that kind of build into a high map. Hell, even in softcore, I doubt many people would want to run a build like that in high level maps. Dying in softcore is hours or days of work at higher levels.