Shavronne's Wrappings is facebreaker

The opportunity cost can be nonexistent. 6.5% ES regen (five frenzy charges, vitality; 6.77% with IF) could be considered roughly equivalent to 10-13% life regen, given relative life vs ES values. That's pretty substantial even without RF.

Now consider, RF was a finely balanced, very difficult skill to use back in the day, before ZO came along. Now Shav's RF low life need only vitality to regen more than RF's degen.

Indeed, I have missed that item.
Opportunity cost would be possibility to wear Wondertrap/Rainbowstride which is bearable unlike travelling through half the skill tree to get meager 1-2.5%.

Oh god. This nerf thing again in an ARPG when balance doesn't matter at all?
THE only thing that makes you guys want to nerf the item is because you never think you will get it and then others shouldn't have it.

You know what that is? ENVY. IT'S AN ARPG. Read again. ARPG. There are builds that better then others, there are items that's better then others. Lets nerf every rare that's better then my items! Let's nerf those uniques I will never get!

There should be good endgame gear you should strive for. Why would the game be fun that's really all about items and level. Should we only have bad items so every one has the same ones?
I can't comprehend that logic.

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Oh god. This nerf thing again in an ARPG when balance doesn't matter at all?
THE only thing that makes you guys want to nerf the item is because you never think you will get it and then others shouldn't have it.

You know what that is? ENVY. IT'S AN ARPG. Read again. ARPG. There are builds that better then others, there are items that's better then others. Lets nerf every rare that's better then my items! Let's nerf those uniques I will never get!

There should be good endgame gear you should strive for. Why would the game be fun that's really all about items and level. Should we only have bad items so every one has the same ones?
I can't comprehend that logic.

How much do shav's cost on standard these days?
I've got about 22 ex in there atm, so I wouldn't say I'd never get one.
thing is, if I did want to make a low life build, I'd be forced to get it, there's no other option.

There's a difference in having a 600ES and 800ES chest, but i'm not forced to get the 800ES chest over the 600 one to be able to play the game in the way I want.

Your argument makes no sense even if I weren't able to afford one in the near future. By your logic facebreaker could be worth 100ex and it'd be balanced because it'd then be "good endgame gear you should strive for". The difference in playing unarmed with or without facebreaker is almost the same as what shavronne's does to low life builds.

It's not the same.... Facebreaker build isn't even that strong and therfore, the item is cheap.

Item's go on price/demand. That much is obvious. If the lowlife build with shavs wasn't good the item wouldn't be that costly. Facebreaker build? Yeah, never going for that. Shavs. Perhaps.

But the thing with shavs is the fun part, IT IS a build enabler. That's not a bad thing, that's a cool thing. Why should you care if any one can go a cool build. (that is boring as shit.)
And can farm faster? Why do you even care? I've never understood that logic. It's like saying.
You don't really get hit by this, the only thing it says is you're to poor to get this build.
Oh noes, you can't go a boring totem build. Who cares?

"WHY CAN MEHISISA GO A BUILD WITH OUT HP NODES / ES NODES? HE HAS TO GOOD GEAR, NERF HIS GEAR PLIZ"

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Oh god. This nerf thing again in an ARPG when balance doesn't matter at all?
THE only thing that makes you guys want to nerf the item is because you never think you will get it and then others shouldn't have it.

You know what that is? ENVY. IT'S AN ARPG. Read again. ARPG. There are builds that better then others, there are items that's better then others. Lets nerf every rare that's better then my items! Let's nerf those uniques I will never get!

There should be good endgame gear you should strive for. Why would the game be fun that's really all about items and level. Should we only have bad items so every one has the same ones?
I can't comprehend that logic.

Disagree basically with all of this.

The devs themselves didn't want uniques being this powerful which is why everyone is surprised that they have been put in at all.

You assume envy is the issue for everyone which isn't a great assumption. I'll post a shavronnes and a soul taker when I get them and I will again state my position that they are imbalanced bad uniques for the game.

I'm done. Have fun in your balanced ARPG with only bad items.

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I'm done. Have fun in your balanced RPG with only bad items.

Yeah, because rares don't exist in PoE.

Yeah and they have uber good ones aswell that costs 90 exalts.

Lets nerf them too!

And this is no point in even discus. Considering we don't think alike.
But I still don't get why this hurt you in anyway.

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Yeah and they have uber good ones aswell that costs 90 exalts.

Lets nerf them too!

And this is no point in even discus. Considering we don't think alike.
But I still don't get why this hurt you in anyway.

discussions are the most important, when held by people who don't think alike. If you only want to talk with people who think like you, you'll end up talking with yourself.

Rares do not enable a build, Shavronne's does.
Incidentally, the build that shav enables, makes it BiS.