Shavronne's Wrappings is facebreaker

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fortyb4five a écrit :

ummm who cares what forum moderater says? They're no way affiliated with GGG..anyway I do agree that the item needs a small nerf. Like QuillRain did in cb.

I'm pretty sure mods can move threads from one place to another. So when a mod moves a balance discussion thread into gameplay help, it's a goddamn travesty of what mods should do.

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iamstryker a écrit :

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CantripN a écrit :

Seeing as low-life build are the single most powerful type of caster, I'm very much ok with not everyone getting a Shav and doing it. If you're lucky/gring enough, good for you. It shouldn't be an auto-pick, which it would, otherwise.

You can say the same about Block builds and the Aegis Aurora. Of course, if you disagree, I'd love a free Aegis on Anarchy or Standard :D

1. Aegis Aurora is not required to run a block build. Yes I know how good it is but its still not anything like what a Shavronnes is to low life builds. I have two block builds and my non Aegis is really just as good as my Aegis build.

2. There is a huge difference between a unique that costs about 2-3 exalts and a unique that costs around 30.

Shavronnes casters being the best casters in the game just means that either the chest piece should not exist or the build itself needs to be nerfed.

Nerfing the build nerfs low life casters who don't have shavronne's, this is unfair.

They need to either nerf the item and/or make it as common as facebreaker or remove it.

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fortyb4five a écrit :

ummm who cares what forum moderater says? They're no way affiliated with GGG..

Despite the demeaning tone, this is true.
All of my posts are my own opinion and do not represent GGG unless they have to do with administrative things. :)

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Idioticus a écrit :

I'm pretty sure mods can move threads from one place to another. So when a mod moves a balance discussion thread into gameplay help, it's a goddamn travesty of what mods should do.

This is the second time you've mentioned this, so I might as well clear the air.
A moderator did not move your thread, one of the GGG's support staff did.

Shavronne's is just another pay-to-win luxury item that bypasses a broken game mechanic that ordinary players have to put up with. There would be no need to nerf Shavronne's if GGG would acknowledge the unspoken stinker in the room:

Eliminate the Cruel and Merciless Chaos Resist penalties!

Chaos Resist is blatantly unbalanced and forces you to monkeywrench your build just to deal with it. The drop rate of items with Chaos Resist is not even close to adequate, and the trade value of these items is typically one GCP and up. Chaos Flasks are a poor bandaid and Kaom's Heart is an unrealistic option for the vast majority of players. That leaves CI and Shavronne's as the only realistic alternatives to stacking HP as high as you possibly can.

There is no point in attempting to tweak Shavronne's drop rate so long as monster Chaos damage is completely OP in Merciless. Chaos is not elemental damage and the -60% resist penalty is nothing but unmitigated cheese. Fix that and then we'll see what Shavronne's is truly worth.

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pneuma a écrit :

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fortyb4five a écrit :

ummm who cares what forum moderater says? They're no way affiliated with GGG..

Despite the demeaning tone, this is true.
All of my posts are my own opinion and do not represent GGG unless they have to do with administrative things. :)

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Idioticus a écrit :

I'm pretty sure mods can move threads from one place to another. So when a mod moves a balance discussion thread into gameplay help, it's a goddamn travesty of what mods should do.

This is the second time you've mentioned this, so I might as well clear the air.
A moderator did not move your thread, one of the GGG's support staff did.

Well, the way I see it, a forum moderator saying the same things I am, makes it a bit more hypocritical for anyone to move balance discussion threads into gameplay help.
Not only does it hide the thread (it was effectively killed there), but it's also an insult towards me. "Complain about something will you? Since you obviously suck at this game I'll move your thread to gameplay help because you need it you noob"


now I'm going slightly off-topic but luckily it's still feedback about the way GGG support staff treats players.

back on shavronne's wrappings:
Although because of chaos damage shavronne's is BiS, it doesn't mean that chaos damage itself needs to be changed.

Nerfing shavronne's only affects those who use or will use shavronne's.
Changing chaos damage affects everyone.

I'd say it's much easier to foresee the changes happening after you affect <1% of the playerbase, than it is to see what'll happen when you affect 100% of the playerbase.

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Idioticus a écrit :

Well, the way I see it, a forum moderator saying the same things I am, makes it a bit more hypocritical for anyone to move balance discussion threads into gameplay help.

This is not a new thread. Shavronne's has hundreds of threads talking about how exactly it's broken. Many have been moved, others have not. I'm repeating myself in the OP as well. I'm not sure who moved your thread, since I would not have.

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Idioticus a écrit :

it's also an insult towards me. "Complain about something will you? Since you obviously suck at this game I'll move your thread to gameplay help because you need it you noob"

Don't take it personally. Never attribute to malice that which can be explained with error.
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Idioticus a écrit :

Nerfing shavronne's only affects those who use or will use shavronne's.
Changing chaos damage affects everyone.

Heavily agree with this.

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Idioticus a écrit :

Nerfing shavronne's only affects those who use or will use shavronne's. Changing chaos damage affects everyone.

Yes, and that's exactly what needs to be done in order to put both Shavronne's and CI in their proper place. And please note, it's not Chaos damage that is unbalanced, it is the Cruel and Merciless Chaos Resist penalties that are over the top. These Chaos resist penalties were in no way fine-tuned to balance CI, Shavronne's, or anything else in the game. They were arbitrarily imposed on the Open Beta without any justification other than mimicking the way Elemental Resists are scaled up for each difficulty. But since Chaos Resist is impossibly scarce, more and more players have chosen to just block it with CI and Shavronne's. That's a perverse approach to game balance that serves only to constrict build diversity and enshrine an overpriced luxury item.

If RF is overpowered - nerf it.
But ffs give low-lifers a reasonable way to fight chaos damage! No, a chest worth 25+ exalted is NOT reasonable.

RF is not overpowered if used in the sense that the developers initially intended. It's an extremely difficult skill to sustain and extremely scary to pull off, making it the ultimate high risk, high reward build.

Shavronne's throws it all out the window.

A keystone or unique that removes Int bonus to ES, and replaces it with "1% of chaos damage is applied to ES for every (10-20) int."

I dunno, probably not the best solution, but there's something creative that can be done to "nerf" Shav's by buffing Low Life itself and making another option a viable alternative.

As a side effect, I really wouldn't mind seeing some people go "The fuck! I paid $250 for my Shav's, now you can solve low life on a cheap level 20 ring!?" :D

Edit: And RF isn't op, ZO is.

ZO isn't worth bull's dung without RF. The opportunity cost to stacking on life regen is way off.