Less RNG in Socket Crafting Please!
" Because this is my first game, and i'm in fact 10 years old right? where are you GETTING this logic? Here's a few truths: 1: games have common aspects and themes respective to their genres and they SOMETIMES innovate and often copy one another, without really thinking about the consequences or how it works, only that it "did for them" 2: If you've played one, you'll recognize the aspects from another game which fits somewhat thematically into the game genre type you don't NEED months of gameplay, this is an argument I've had THOUSANDS of times, with players and aside from you understanding ONE area of a game I might not have seen which the game shouldn't even BE based around if it's not introduced early on, that's no reason to make my feedback moot. If that's the case, i'm gaming for over a decade, if you have not, all your points are now in fact completely irrelevant and I'll ask you stop wasting my time... Seem right to you? didn't think so... 3: I AM giving this game a chance, I'm finding that they took a lot of the TERRIBLE along with them when they converted MedianXL to an MMO style game. I haven't ran screaming from it because it's not a "Guild Wars 2" and their microtransactions aren't a presumptuous load of horse manure... there's still time for them to get it together, the arguments AGAINST the issues "that they'r fine" I find LACKING however, I'm totally open to being swayed into believing the game is ok, but from where I'm standing right now, I'm disappointed in the efforts to change my mind, no one is even trying, they'd just much rather anyone with issue to it buggers off... GREAT idea for a new game btw... /sarcasm |
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" *yawn*, you're one of "those ppl", np I'm not going to waste any more my time. Hopefully other more "reasonable" ppl follow suit and allow this thread to die. |
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" I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of not having a rational response. My nearly 2 decades of gaming is also quite the background noise generator. Sarcasm aside, what was the point in your post? aside from some mild ad hominem garbage? I mean first you go for the obvious "assuming I'm new" fallacy because of course my ingame account creation date DEFINES me (sarcasm) Then you *yawn* to create the impression I'm boring you and this is beneath you... ROFL... terrible... just terrible... by all means when you WANT to actually discuss this, I'll be online for another few hours and if not another time, til then... take that lack of effort away from me... it's beneath ALL of us. (including you) Dernière édition par Hellkaiser#0841, le 5 avr. 2013 à 10:21:40
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Theoretically there is an easy way to fix atleast the most annoying features of crafting.
Jewellers Orbs and Orb of Fusings should never give you a downgrade. Just always add a socket/fusing link, but scale it so that you have the exact same ratios as it is now. Chromatics should just work on 1 Socket and not the entired item. (just set it so that colors that are not common for this type of item have only 5% chance [or another low number] to appear or so) It would still take tons of chromatics to get a int item with 6 red sockets but once you get 4 red sockets you will always have 4 which is much more enjoyable. People would still bump the same amount of currency into items but it wouldn't be as annoying as it is now because your item can't get worse through currency. Dernière édition par Trelares#5972, le 5 avr. 2013 à 10:24:28
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it's really simple hellkaiser:
you don't understand and more importantly: you don't want to. that's why the *yawn* and that's why I *yawn again*. Since you clearly stated you'll be on for a few hours, take that time to learn and understand what's happened in the last couple years of PoE and the changes that have been made etc. When you have a better understanding of THIS GAME (which is my reference to your 3 weeks of experience)I'm more than willing to listen. If my doctor came to me and said he had 3 weeks of training and is ready to provide me with a needed heart operation. I'd tell him to put it "you know where". wouldn't you? |
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" Comparing gaming to heart surgery... *facepalm* So let's re-imagine that analogy with the actual facts involved. This would be akin to me having spent enough time, studying the heart from cadavers, animals etc and watching people perform heart surgery as you nicely alluded it to for ohhhh roughly 15 years or so? if not a lil longer... more than enough to say, that's not the way I'd do it myself, from my "informed opinion" those "three weeks" are in fact your attempt to make a straw man argument. Sorry...but nope. It's not I don't understand, it's that you have no idea how to rationally disagree with me. That doesn't mean you can't disagree, just that it has to be based off of simple opinion like myself, as opposed to just "I play this game more, I know better" Like I said, it doesn't fly with me. Dernière édition par Hellkaiser#0841, le 5 avr. 2013 à 10:34:53
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" ^^ edited for truth ^^ I'm moving on now, like I said before "you're one of those ppl". If you want to learn something or have a genuine question about the game, I'll be glad to help you. If your going to spew nonsense... well gfy ("good for you"... or something like that). |
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" You sir... are quite annoying. Who are you to tell anybody their opinion is invalid? He tries to give solid feedback, explain reasons behind it and is open for discussion. On the other side we have.. you.. who just tells people to fuck off because they are ignorant and don't know PoE at all. Guess who has the most credibility in this topic. Crafting in PoE isn't fine. Anybody can see that. Perhaps it is intentional, or even desired by GGG, so be it. But there are much more elegant solutions possible that both have a decent currency sink, highend rare crafted items and STILL compelling low/midlvl crafting gameplay, compared to the current total RNG nonsense we have now. |
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Ferumbras, go looks at Wittgenstein's recent posts (earlier in the thread) he gives a beautiful explanation of why there isn't "crafting" in PoE.
If the current system was "crafting" I'd agree with you that it doesn't work. edit: The game provides you with an RNG drop. The currencies allow the player to reroll that RNG on that item. It's an added opportunity for the player to "try" and get the item they want. But like with the first item dropped (the original RNG) it might not be what you wanted, nor should it. It's all chance. Dernière édition par Josephoenix#2379, le 5 avr. 2013 à 10:49:15
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It doesn't take very much currency to craft a decent rare.
People complain that they can't craft a 5L/6L ES chest with 1k es and 6 red sockets. Such items are NOT decent, they are niche, end game gear that will NEVER be replaced. Once you hit level 90+ there's two things to do with your currency if you plan on continuing to play that character: Craft and run maps. At this point, you should have extremely good gear. At that point, it really isn't that hard to have a 5L, or even a 6L. Once you have that, your goal is to craft BiS gear. This should NOT be cheap. If it was, then the market would crash and newer players would never be able to buy gear. At the same time, you don't need said perfect gear to succeed. It's your choice to try and craft such gear, and you should know the risks going in. As I said, if you really don't enjoy the crafting system, you don't need to participate to such a heavy extent. Save your currency to buy gear if you must. In that regard, I do think crafting is fine. I don't GGG is intentionally making it bad, because it isn't bad. This game was never meant to be easy. If you expect to be spoon-fed easy content, you're looking in the wrong place. The same goes for crafting BiS gear. Sure, people sometimes get lucky and get a 6L on their first fusing. Look at the forums though, this is uncommon. Most people complain about how hard it is. This is working as intended. You don't need a 6L to succeed in this game. Hell, you don't even need a 5L. They are a privilege earned through time played and currency used. Dernière édition par Pastromy#5792, le 5 avr. 2013 à 10:50:58
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