Less RNG in Socket Crafting Please!

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Undon3 a écrit :

I'm as old school as it gets at my 35 age and playing games since ZX 81/Spectrum/C64 etc. I had CPU's from almost all Intel generations, since 80286, and constantly played RPGs when I could find them. I did things the hard way since forever, including typing the code of the game each time I powered on my no storage ZX81 "computer".

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TremorAcePV a écrit :

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_Seze_ a écrit :

There is no crafting in poe, pure blind luck. bad system. time spent\reward ratio is low. Game for no lifers, normal ppl should stay away.

I'm glad someone gets it.

This game is for the type of people who enjoy grinding for hours for that one unique they really want, whether to buy it, or for it to drop (Koam's comes to mind).

Other people trying to make the game cater to them will only be disappointed. Whether GGG listens to these type of people or not, they will leave, eventually. It is in their nature.

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Loki421 a écrit :

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Wittgenstein a écrit :

The orbs are extra pulls on the slot machine, that's it.

With this line you point out the fundamental problem with the orb system.

Issue 1:

Its in the delivery method of the "slot machine".

Would you rather:

A: Run around strategically using a hand crafted virtual avatar to kill monsters with different abilities, having a blast and sometimes have a digital prize fall out.

B: Stick coins(orbs) in a box(armor) and sometimes have a digital prize fall out.

Point being if we wanted to play slot machines we'd all be sitting in a casino somewhere. We play video games because the delivery method of the RNG is more interactive and enjoyable.

Issue 2:

Specifically the gem sockets should not be the target of RNG because they fundamentally affect how you play the game. I feel like better (see more rare) armor should make you stronger defensively and offensively stat wise, but not effect which skills you get to use.

Imagine a world where every head peace of gear always dropped with 3 slots, body peaces always had 5, glove always had 2, etc. The game could remain just as fun and still be very easily balanced. More powerful rare and unique armor could still exist because of the other stats it offered. Now add back in the socket orbs with the RNG removed as a fun bit of crafting element. Would it trivialize the price on those specific orbs? Yeah probably, but then again no one trades ID or Portal scrolls either, yet they are still there for the iconic bits and fun.

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Torin a écrit :

I will post a suggestion that will make everyone happy soon in another topic. Stay tuned :D

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Wittgenstein a écrit :

Again I see no difference between killing a million mobs and rolling a million orbs, two means to the same end that both may result in jack squat.

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Wittgenstein a écrit :

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Loki421 a écrit :

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Wittgenstein a écrit :

The orbs are extra pulls on the slot machine, that's it.

With this line you point out the fundamental problem with the orb system.

Issue 1:

Its in the delivery method of the "slot machine".

Would you rather:

A: Run around strategically using a hand crafted virtual avatar to kill monsters with different abilities, having a blast and sometimes have a digital prize fall out.

B: Stick coins(orbs) in a box(armor) and sometimes have a digital prize fall out.

Point being if we wanted to play slot machines we'd all be sitting in a casino somewhere. We play video games because the delivery method of the RNG is more interactive and enjoyable.

Issue 2:

Specifically the gem sockets should not be the target of RNG because they fundamentally affect how you play the game. I feel like better (see more rare) armor should make you stronger defensively and offensively stat wise, but not effect which skills you get to use.

Imagine a world where every head peace of gear always dropped with 3 slots, body peaces always had 5, glove always had 2, etc. The game could remain just as fun and still be very easily balanced. More powerful rare and unique armor could still exist because of the other stats it offered. Now add back in the socket orbs with the RNG removed as a fun bit of crafting element. Would it trivialize the price on those specific orbs? Yeah probably, but then again no one trades ID or Portal scrolls either, yet they are still there for the iconic bits and fun.

Would you rather:

a. kill a million mobs and hope for the best
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b. farm and craft specific gear

If the answer is (b) than this is not the game for you.

I enjoy the RNG - I enjoy getting crap (at some level) because it makes the times when I (quite literally) hit the jackpot all the sweeter.

Again I see no difference between killing a million mobs and rolling a million orbs, two means to the same end that both may result in jack squat. That is what all ARPG's are when you boil them down, and I enjoy ARPG's, so I do not understand the anger over the orbs. I think the anger stems from players assuming the orbs are "crafting" when they aren't crafting at all, players realize they were wrong in their assumption over the purpose of the orbs and then they become angry.

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_Seze_ a écrit :

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Wittgenstein a écrit :

Again I see no difference between killing a million mobs and rolling a million orbs, two means to the same end that both may result in jack squat.

Difference is u will never get million orbs by killing million mobs. Time spent\reward ratio is extremely low.

I play bf3 with my clan, 46 ppl, we're all 25+ years old with jobs\girlfriends and we can't be asked to spend our life ingame to have some fun, we gather in the evening and go troll some bf3 servers for couple of hours a night tops.

I tried to get them to play PoE as well cause I played d2 during my school\university years, but they all quit cause this is a nolifer game(d2 WAS different, u still got good drops(mephisto\baal\diablo runs) even by playing 2-3 hours couple days a week), u have to forgo real life to be successful in PoE. Just look at any stramer of PoE out there, jesus ducking christ what a bunch of nerds, proly never lifted anything heavier then cup of tea in their life.

This is the main reason I nolifed 3 weeks in march to lvlup my char and get high end 5L weapon\armor, yet now i still don't see me getting anything better cause 99% of yellows drop are pure garbage. Ans I try to do 4-5 maps per evening.

This economy\crafting system looks good on paper but when it comes to playing it... hell no...

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_Seze_ a écrit :

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Wittgenstein a écrit :

Again I see no difference between killing a million mobs and rolling a million orbs, two means to the same end that both may result in jack squat.

Difference is u will never get million orbs by killing million mobs. Time spent\reward ratio is extremely low.

I play bf3 with my clan, 46 ppl, we're all 25+ years old with jobs\girlfriends and we can't be asked to spend our life ingame to have some fun, we gather in the evening and go troll some bf3 servers for couple of hours a night tops.

I tried to get them to play PoE as well cause I played d2 during my school\university years, but they all quit cause this is a nolifer game(d2 WAS different, u still got good drops(mephisto\baal\diablo runs) even by playing 2-3 hours couple days a week), u have to forgo real life to be successful in PoE. Just look at any stramer of PoE out there, jesus ducking christ what a bunch of nerds, proly never lifted anything heavier then cup of tea in their life.

This is the main reason I nolifed 3 weeks in march to lvlup my char and get high end 5L weapon\armor, yet now i still don't see me getting anything better cause 99% of yellows drop are pure garbage. Ans I try to do 4-5 maps per evening.

This economy\crafting system looks good on paper but when it comes to playing it... hell no...