Why all the clear speed meta hate?

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MortalKombat3 a écrit :

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adghar a écrit :

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Aim_Deep a écrit :

Because its brain dead mindless playing. Only skill left in this game is big 6 bosses and even thats unskilled with VP ES where you can face tank.

Usually I fall asleep while playing after like 5 maps and quit.

How would you respond to the original poster's counterargument: Make weaker builds, then?

Or maybe dont level past 70, or use white weapon, or tied one hand behind my back and close one eye with eyepatch....
That's just silly. Game should provide challenge for players, "artifitical" challenge like "make weaker builds" is beyonf stupid in competive online game with trading!

That's how you play PoE in 2017:

Character's size reprezents his power compared to trash enemies, feet position and blood under it represents "oneshot enemies" meta, etc.
This single screenshot grotesquely shows what PoE is about ATM.

that's how the rich and lucky play poe xD

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adghar a écrit :

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Aim_Deep a écrit :

Because its brain dead mindless playing. Only skill left in this game is big 6 bosses and even thats unskilled with VP ES where you can face tank.

Usually I fall asleep while playing after like 5 maps and quit.

How would you respond to the original poster's counterargument: Make weaker builds, then?

We can talk about that if there is some way of balancing the loot and/or experience gained per unit of time between "clearspeed meta" and "weaker" builds. I would wager that the three main goals for most players would be between 1-3 of the following: currency, items, and/or experience. To the question "why not just intentionally do a sub par job of any goal you might have?" I think that no rebuttal is necessary. Even if your goal is just to have combat then you probably need those first three things to get your build(s) working so that interpretation of the question is still valid imo.

Because that group clutters any conversation with it, kind of like a vegan can't have a conversation without bringing it up.

The danger of the so-called clear speed META, is the build diversity. Building fast and DPS based builds should be a CHOICE, not a requirement. Building slow and tanky should be just as possible - and just as viable. This wasn't a problem AT ALL until they started making content forcing you to build a certain way, like Breaches and Breach domains. THIS i where the problem is; if they start balancing around the sick DPS of certain builds, and pushes out content that makes "slow" builds obsolete, it damages the game as a whole.

People playing in their own little bubble, only thinking about what they see as "fun" can't see this. They don't care about the game as a whole, only what they like to do - and play. But when puberty is done, I hope they develop some kind of empathy and perspective.

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Aim_Deep a écrit :

Because its brain dead mindless playing. Only skill left in this game is big 6 bosses and even thats unskilled with VP ES where you can face tank.

Usually I fall asleep while playing after like 5 maps and quit.

We need Monster power, enraged rares with crazy abilities (if you played d3 original inferno you know what I mean) etc. So actual fights occur which require timing dodging etc like the Big 6 Boss fights.

But no we gone other way. Our DPS is at least 10x what it was in 1.0. Monster have similar life. It's a complete joke.

Well put.

One of the worst things about the current meta is how rarely it is a for a monster to pose any danger to player except when it is dead (bearers and volatile)... I mean we kill them before they even enter our screen. It's just not healthy for the game. GGG absolutely have to adress this >.<

This game is boring as fuck when its slow paced though. 20 seconds to kill a blue is just NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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TheAshmaker a écrit :

This game is boring as fuck when its slow paced though. 20 seconds to kill a blue is just NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

... No one is asking for this. You see builds clearing entire strand maps in less than 1 minute. It's just gone too far.

Strands in under a minute is crazy fast. I can hardly imagine such a thing.

Give the speed meta players their own league.