Lets talk armor (the stat)

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Peterlerock a écrit :

Armour isn't hard to get.
It's just that people assume it's not worth to even try getting it.

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Fruz a écrit :

Ok, so just that you know, very hard combinations = elemental damage.
If you dodge the telegraphed hits, then that means that you didn't tank him, but it's more dangerous, in which case armour or evasion does not matter much.

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sidtherat a écrit :

Everywhere I read stuff like "CI can get 15k+ ES without any effort".
But on the other hand, I read that it's supposed to be hard to stack armour without a serious investment in the skilltree?

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Armour isn't hard to get.
It's just that people assume it's not worth to even try getting it.

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sidtherat a écrit :

but the comparison with CI is not fair.

CI build needs JUST that 15k ES (more like 10 in fact - you get all the AR and EV from flasks anyway). unlike AR that is worthless without life (or ES). and you jave to pick both. but that is irrelevant..

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what i want to know is how people can have 20K with just few clusters. what kind of gear is needed (as AR scales strongly with base) and what passive choices people make

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sidtherat a écrit :

it is easy to pick single items with these stats. but buying ones that match (resists) and habe necessary stats (life, links, mods) is a whole other case. thats why i get triggered when people throw funny prices around (like this 700AR helmet was just 2c! sure it was. because it has 24life and 20 total res..). buying entire set is really a lot harder

ive tried that and while i HAVE several high AR-value items these simply do not match when it comes to resists so are unusable. i know it can be done but withou access to really insane jewelry pieces (damage life AND resists) i find it very difficult to reach 140%+ all res (so im ele weak capped with end charges)


again. it can be done. but there is little point in 20K AR and 15% lightning resist..

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MortalKombat3 a écrit :

Like i already said countless of times, Armour wont save you from elemental damage, the real killer in PoE (based on my own experience playing PoE).

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Snorkle_uk a écrit :

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Fruz a écrit :

But tbh, I feel way less safe on my high evasion + dodge and spell dodge ( QotF and Dreamfeather, with a shield ) than on a armour + block build.

That would be in line with my experiences too.


Heres the way I look at those 2 setups, I feel like armour + block is what id call a complete defense where as the evasion + dodge to me isnt, thats like half a defense in my book.

On a life build I want physical damage reduction + attack avoidance. Thats the combo, obviously you want all the lifes too, goes without saying.

the evasion build has avoidance (ev) + avoidance (dodge) = avoidance. It doesnt have damage reduction, its got 2 parts but they do the same thing, theres a big hole.

evasion and block, they dont work quite the same obviously but theyre roughly the same thing, % chance to avoid an attack. I think given 50% of both evasion is better because it cant randomly fail 5 times in a row and let you die, but close enough.

thats why I always use a coil with evasion, because a coil is roughly armour. Its not, but in the same way its close enough, similar effect. So for me I would play any of these combos...

armour + block

armour + evasion

coil + evasion

coil + block


I wouldnt play coil + armour and then not have any attack avoidance, I wouldnt play evasion + dodge/block and not have damage reduction. Always both aspects together. Even 2h builds, my 2h axe jugger for example has the double body armour node, has a hybrid hat (devotos), has armour on belt. Just that alone gives him about 22k armour and he has something like 8 endurance charges, fortify, a basalt and a taste of hate. But he has evasion gloves and boots with grace and cwdt enfeeble so 12k evasion, about 50% chance to evade highest levels of mobs, add in enfeeble making that even higher chance to evade, kind of performs like a 65% block + 22k armour build. My frostblades raider, all evasion gear, enfeeble, 46/40 dodge, bit of block, but then has lightning coil + toh + basalt + 3 edurance charges + arctic armour + fortify, the end result feels roughly the same, little lighter on the reduction and heavier on the avoid but essentially the same.

Ive never been impressed with damage reduction or attack avoidance on their own in all honesty, certainly not since I tried them both together. Personally i think armour + ev is the best of the bunch cause of entropic avoiding and the way armour scales so ridiculously against small to mid hits in a way a coil doesnt, I think its the best of both words defensively but Ive yet to manage a full crit build with it, where ar+block or coil+ev its easy to do those and still be full on crit. I have an armour + evasion 1h sword jug with 29k armour, 12k ev, 42% block, 7 endurance, basalt, toh, fortify, about 7k life, loads of regen and leech, it just feels monstrous. Its died once since its been using that setup and that was to vol blood, I remember it clear as day, pack of zombies coming up from the ground, cycloned in, oh theres a rare coming up with sub phy... BANG. rip. It appeared under my feet mid cyclone and i was aware it existed for about half a second before I was dead. I think that was about 2 years ago, certainly before ascendancy. He used to have 15k armour but jugger class, dear god, that armour boost + you get unwavering but can still stack evasion. I love that node.