Single target melee skills need damage tripled or quadrupled? maybe 100x?

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Nephalim a écrit :

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Melee as an archetype isn't worthless; plenty of melee skills are top tier.

Good to see everyone is on the same page.

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It's like saying that snails can keep up with cheetahs, then showing a video of a snail being flown in a mclaren f1. It has nothing to do with the fucking snail.

And yet here you are, multiple replies later and still cant even show a cheetah being flown in a super sonic jet that can beat a snail in a race car using auto attacks.

Leap Slam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC_yu2Iubr0

Spec Throw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzBct38sM4E

Flicker Strike
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPtOiwcEdCc

Cyclone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIU_Nblk6Fc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IBNt4ziws8

Ground Slam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8Zu0YBKgNw

EQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGNTlGKV82E

Shall we keep going with this stupid fucking discussion or can we stop pretending the retch/slayer has anything to do with single target melee skill balance now?

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Pathological a écrit :

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Nephalim a écrit :

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Melee as an archetype isn't worthless; plenty of melee skills are top tier.

Good to see everyone is on the same page.

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It's like saying that snails can keep up with cheetahs, then showing a video of a snail being flown in a mclaren f1. It has nothing to do with the fucking snail.

And yet here you are, multiple replies later and still cant even show a cheetah being flown in a super sonic jet that can beat a snail in a race car using auto attacks.

Leap Slam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC_yu2Iubr0

Spec Throw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzBct38sM4E

Flicker Strike
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPtOiwcEdCc

Cyclone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIU_Nblk6Fc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IBNt4ziws8

Ground Slam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8Zu0YBKgNw

EQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGNTlGKV82E

Shall we keep going with this stupid fucking discussion or can we stop pretending the retch/slayer has anything to do with single target melee skill balance now?

I'm not sure you understand. Can you show me a non melee build that performs as well as this melee build using static freaking strike?

Are you telling me CI+Vp+GR+anti stun uniques is not the backbone for the these so called overpowered ranged cheetah builds?

If I remove retch slayer from the equation, can I remove ci+Vp+GR+anti stun from the equation as well and use that as the baseline comparison?

Neph being SAVAGE

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Nephalim a écrit :

I'm not sure you understand. Can you show me a non melee build that performs as well as this melee build using static freaking strike?

Are you telling me Vp+GR+anti stun uniques is not the backbone for the these so called overpowered ranged cheetah builds?

If I remove retch slayer from the equation, can I remove Vp+GR from the equation as well and use that as the baseline comparison?

No, because VP+GR is available to someone without a wisdom scrap to their name, and the retch costs 20ex or more. Jesus fucking christ, is it that hard?

You're being fucking dumb, you know it, I know it, at this point I'm going to assume you're trolling and stop responding. You're comparing apples and oranges. Do you really think that VP+GR+Chaula is comparable to requiring a fucking retch and functioning with ONE ascendancy in the entire game? Hell, you don't even need a chaula anymore, valirium costs about 9c. There are currently zero retches available in hc breach, and the last ones that were listed were 500c plus. This isn't a steep entry fee, it in the realm of "never going to be seen by 99.9999% of players in PoE, ever".

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I_NO a écrit :

Neph being SAVAGE

If by savage you mean displaying the brain power of a caveman, I'm right there with you.

Chris already stated that they plan to buff melee skills in 3.0 anyway, so who really gives a fuck what you think in the end. I guess they could come out with more 5% ITS A BUFF bullshit, but I seriously doube it.

Oh please ''buff'' melee skills by like 6% MORE

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Pathological a écrit :

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Nephalim a écrit :

I'm not sure you understand. Can you show me a non melee build that performs as well as this melee build using static freaking strike?

Are you telling me Vp+GR+anti stun uniques is not the backbone for the these so called overpowered ranged cheetah builds?

If I remove retch slayer from the equation, can I remove Vp+GR from the equation as well and use that as the baseline comparison?

No, because VP+GR is available to someone without a wisdom scrap to their name, and the retch costs 20ex or more. Jesus fucking christ, is it that hard?

You're being fucking dumb, you know it, I know it, at this point I'm going to assume you're trolling and stop responding. You're comparing apples and oranges. Do you really think that VP+GR+Chaula is comparable to requiring a fucking retch and functioning with ONE ascendancy in the entire game?

These raider VP+GR+SF meta builds are very unique and very inexpensive compared to retch slayers.

Retch is 7 exalts on standard and 4 exalts on breach.

Did I miss anything besides the non existent video of a a budget or overpriced non melee build doing T16 maps as fast as this poor schmuck using static strike.

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Nephalim a écrit :

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Pathological a écrit :

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Nephalim a écrit :

I'm not sure you understand. Can you show me a non melee build that performs as well as this melee build using static freaking strike?

Are you telling me Vp+GR+anti stun uniques is not the backbone for the these so called overpowered ranged cheetah builds?

If I remove retch slayer from the equation, can I remove Vp+GR from the equation as well and use that as the baseline comparison?

No, because VP+GR is available to someone without a wisdom scrap to their name, and the retch costs 20ex or more. Jesus fucking christ, is it that hard?

You're being fucking dumb, you know it, I know it, at this point I'm going to assume you're trolling and stop responding. You're comparing apples and oranges. Do you really think that VP+GR+Chaula is comparable to requiring a fucking retch and functioning with ONE ascendancy in the entire game?

These raider VP+GR+SF meta builds are very unique and very inexpensive compared to retch slayers.

Retch is 7 exalts on standard and 4 exalts on breach.

Did I miss anything besides the non existent video of a a budget or overpriced non melee build doing T16 maps as fast as this poor schmuck using static strike.

The video is non-existent because the build is using slayer-retch, and has nothing to do with the skill. You're asking for a video that doesn't exist, and pretending it is proof positive of a fact that isn't what the video proves.

But you're right, comparing the retch to valirium is clearly relevant and not at all trolling.

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Pathological a écrit :

The video is non-existent because the build is using slayer-retch, and has nothing to do with the skill. You're asking for a video that doesn't exist, and pretending it is proof positive of a fact that isn't what the video proves.

But you're right, comparing the retch to valirium is clearly relevant and not at all trolling.

A video of a non-melee build doing high level content quickly does not exist? LOL.

Valirium, oh that's funny. Keep telling yourself those high end ES builds use valirium and while pretending retch costs more than 3x it actually does.

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Nephalim a écrit :

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Pathological a écrit :

The video is non-existent because the build is using slayer-retch, and has nothing to do with the skill. You're asking for a video that doesn't exist, and pretending it is proof positive of a fact that isn't what the video proves.

But you're right, comparing the retch to valirium is clearly relevant and not at all trolling.

A video of a non-melee build doing high level content quickly does not exist? LOL.

Valirium, oh that's funny. Keep telling yourself those high end ES builds use valirium and while pretending retch costs more than 3x it actually does.

There are plenty of videos of non-melee builds doing high content quickly; there are almost none that do it as fast as a retch build, because retch is fucking broken. I have no idea what it costs on standard, I don't play standard. Requiring one item that can only be obtained through zana mods and rare cards and working only on one ascendancy for an entire archetype of skill gems is not the same as requiring one of three items, of which one is entry level, and all of the skills using those builds being able to be built in other ways as well.

High end es builds don't use valirium, but they CAN, and low end versions exist. There is no option to replace the retch to make heavy strike viable.