Single target melee skills need damage tripled or quadrupled? maybe 100x?

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Pathological a écrit :

Is it your premise that single target melee skills are not broken and weak because if you combine the retch, vessel of vinktar, and a source of lightning damage, you do broken damage? Is that your logic at work?

It was simply to elucidate the meaning of my very cryptic response which you seemed to believe had nothing to do to with a very clear and obvious original post.

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Nephalim a écrit :

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Pathological a écrit :

Is it your premise that single target melee skills are not broken and weak because if you combine the retch, vessel of vinktar, and a source of lightning damage, you do broken damage? Is that your logic at work?

It was simply to elucidate the meaning of my very cryptic response which you seemed to believe had nothing to do to with a very clear and obvious original post.

Right. It didn't. Try again.

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JohnNamikaze a écrit :

Sadly, GGG keeps increasing the mob density each major patch...little by little





You think single target melee has any chance to compete at all when opening up a breach in maps.....

Same thing is happening with spells.

Why play Lightning when you can play Cold or Fire ? Lightning used to have the highest base damage because the RNG in the roll range. Now Cold and Fire have crept up and over lightning completely. Higher Crit, Higher Base Damage, completely better consistency. Now that Elementalist exists you get conflux and can freeze/shock/ignite anything as any other spell type. Shock was the only saving grace of lightning spells and they made it freely available.

I was leveling an arcer earlier, imagine doing breaches with +3 chain Arc in comparison to just AOEing the screen or just using Frostbolt, Freezing Pulse, Fireball, Magma Orb, Flameblast.



Spells and Range eatting melee. Spells even eating other spells. Range is kinda just there chilling for now but im sure itll cannibalize itself too.

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Pathological a écrit :

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Nephalim a écrit :

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Pathological a écrit :

Is it your premise that single target melee skills are not broken and weak because if you combine the retch, vessel of vinktar, and a source of lightning damage, you do broken damage? Is that your logic at work?

It was simply to elucidate the meaning of my very cryptic response which you seemed to believe had nothing to do to with a very clear and obvious original post.

Right. It didn't. Try again.

I'm not sure what is required then. Do I need to show a melee build that uses nothing you deem strong, powerful, broken , overused, meta that costs less than 1 exalt to build and clears T16 maps in 90 seconds? Maybe a completely naked scion with no uniques or passives doing hard content with a 1 link heavy strike perhaps?

Please, show me some budget or otherwise, non-melee builds that are achieving the level of power hes managed to do with any amount of currency.

Are you saying something moronic like his build is an invalid representation of power because he uses expensive items and "overpowered" mechanics unlike those CI players with their budget skyforths, headhunter and 6 linked 900 ES chests and VP+GR builds?

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Nephalim a écrit :

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Pathological a écrit :

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Nephalim a écrit :

It was simply to elucidate the meaning of my very cryptic response which you seemed to believe had nothing to do to with a very clear and obvious original post.

Right. It didn't. Try again.

I'm not sure what is required then. Do I need to show a melee build that uses nothing you deem strong, powerful, broken , overused, meta that costs less than 1 exalt to build and clears T16 maps in 90 seconds? Maybe a completely naked scion with no uniques or passives doing hard content with a 1 link heavy strike perhaps?

Please, show me some budget or otherwise, non-melee builds that are achieving the level of power hes managed to do with any amount of currency.

Are you saying something moronic like his build is an invalid representation of power because he uses expensive items and "overpowered" mechanics unlike those CI players with their budget skyforths, headhunter and 6 linked 900 ES chests and VP+GR builds?

I'm saying that if the power of the build doesn't come from the skillgem but from the gear, and can be abused equally by the overpowered gems, it doesn't show the power disparity that exists in any shape or form.

You're right; if you have the retch and vessel of vinctar AND you want to play slayer, you can use any melee skill in the game (and many spell skills as well, if you really wanted to) and do good damage.

Do you actually understand the difference here? The CI fotm super-power skill builds don't need skyforths and 900es 6-links to function _AT ALL_, and the majority of their power doesn't come from elsewhere. Nothing about static strike makes the build linked in that video strong, it just happens to be the medium that was chosen.

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JohnNamikaze a écrit :

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Tin_Foil_Hat a écrit :

Same thing is happening with spells.

Why play Lightning when you can play Cold or Fire ? Lightning used to have the highest base damage because the RNG in the roll range. Now Cold and Fire have crept up and over lightning completely. Higher Crit, Higher Base Damage, completely better consistency. Now that Elementalist exists you get conflux and can freeze/shock/ignite anything as any other spell type. Shock was the only saving grace of lightning spells and they made it freely available.

I was leveling an arcer earlier, imagine doing breaches with +3 chain Arc in comparison to just AOEing the screen or just using Frostbolt, Freezing Pulse, Fireball, Magma Orb, Flameblast.

Having a blast with Arc when I got +60% lightning penetration. Packs literally melts instantly and I use Ball Lightning for boss kills. May not come close to Fireball + Rolling fire combo and ignite and flameblast. Freezing Pulse is still pretty decent, but lost most of its magic from the shotgun removal (I still have a FP Sire of Shards build going in endgame). As for Magma Orb, I never got it to work properly, I feel very awkward with this skill. At least Arc is not as bad as Ice Spear and still MUCH better than any single target melee skill (without resorting to melee splash or Slayer's Impact) in the game in the overall scheme.

Yeah, i just got two void batteries soo im committed to the build at this point lol.

Going to do old school DW VB Crit arc.

Have you guys ever made a character with a singile target skill ? killing a tank boss is less than 5 seccounds is not shit .

It's not just about melees, best single target bow skill for generic builds is tornado shot.

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SpanishMonarch a écrit :

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Sexcalibure a écrit :

Double Wilson, coincidence, i think not!

Jay looks like a fucking creep. Chris has that metal white skin-head look, which is creepy in another way, but at least he doesn't look like a pedo.

Chris looks a bit like the singer in this cool video from Nordman:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tdwSePsE4E

Act V: Snow area with goblins, proven! =^[.]~=