Single target melee skills need damage tripled or quadrupled? maybe 100x?

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Ceryneian a écrit :

Nah man you are absolutely right - that build is not broken at all. It is fairly balanced, and quite common in fact, for a melee build using the default attack to obliterate T16s.

I have often wondered why many other melee builds are not using the default attack on T16 maps.

Retch is overpowered and broken, I removed it from the equation and the build is still steam rolling. Yet you find a way to whine about the next thing, and the next and the next and so forth. Nothing will appease your agenda short a naked level 60 scion doing T16's and I'm sure you find a way to whine about that as well.

Do you see me imposing these absurd limitations on non-melee meta builds? Oh you can't use ghost reaver, Oh you can't use instant leech etc.

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And all those guys on Hardcore ladder have been idiots for the past 2 years for not realizing how strong melee is.

I just had an idea - why didn't I think of making a CI melee build with hundreds of exalts, maybe try a cheap headhunter as well, and obliterate content. I'll use random melee gems, like Static Strike, and prove to everyone here that melee and melee gems are in fact - quite strong.

Not optimal != under powered. Bad players using melee skills in sub optimal ways does not make the archetype under powered either.

Can you show me a non melee build, at any gear level steam rolling content like this pitiful static strike build?

Please, show the power of these cheap CI VP GR build trivializing content for all to see.

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Nephalim a écrit :

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Ceryneian a écrit :

Nah man you are absolutely right - that build is not broken at all. It is fairly balanced, and quite common in fact, for a melee build using the default attack to obliterate T16s.

I have often wondered why many other melee builds are not using the default attack on T16 maps.

Retch is overpowered and broken, I removed it from the equation and the build is still steam rolling. Yet you find a way to whine about the next thing, and the next and the next and so forth. Nothing will appease your agenda short a naked level 60 scion doing T16's and I'm sure you find a way to whine about that as well.

Nope, that's not what you said. Do I really need to quote you? Your first post in this thread said:

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Show me a ranged build or any build that clears as fast as slayer retch.

You then go on to link videos of this same retch Slayer build using default attack to clear T16.

I then said we all know Slayer and retch is a broken mechanic - to which you reply it is not broken.

LOL - do you want me to show the full quotes?

You then show the SAME guy using a build that costs hundreds of exalts - yes, if everyone had access to hundreds of exalts we would all be trivializing content man.

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Nephalim a écrit :

Not optimal != under powered. Bad players using melee skills in sub optimal ways does not make the archetype under powered either.

Can you show me a non melee build, at any gear level steam rolling content like this pitiful static strike build?

Please, show the power of these cheap CI VP GR build trivializing content for all to see.

Yeah, as I was reading your posts I had this suspicion - but it really sounds like you have not played melee at all.

Just because you found one anomaly of a build using either a) a broken mechanic, or b) hundreds of exalts worth of gear - you think every other melee player is a bad player using "melee skills in a sub optimal way".

Now that is truly ignorant.

But thank you man - I honestly didn't know strapping legacy Kaom's and using HH with an extremely high DPS weapon and legacy flasks would trivialize content. We are all retards for not realizing that this is the "optimal" way to build melee.

Also I wouldn't call a build that is using hundreds of exalts "pitiful" - you really are trying to stretch your argument here huh?

You keep whining about videos - are you seriously trying to tell me you don't know ANY other build that is trivializing content besides this one? I'm not sure what rock you've been living under bro - there are quite a few doing it cheaper and safer than what you showed.


Have you played melee at all? And to what map level and with what build? Answer that please.

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Nephalim a écrit :

Can you show me a non melee build, at any gear level steam rolling content like this pitiful static strike build?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPgxX_x7sFk

3 seconds minotaur bow users, while surviving a hit with triple damage mods(the deadliest as well, Extra as + Vuln + - max res). This guy does not have a video trying to clear a map as fast as possible, but you get the idea.

Originally I didnt want to post but this argument was fired off of an existing question that I will answer:
Find me a melee build that kill Shaper with a crude weapon.

Why not increase the dmg of every gem by 100000x then nobody would complain :')

Or stop playing single target melee to begin with aoe rules all ya know xD

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Poutsos a écrit :

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Nephalim a écrit :

Can you show me a non melee build, at any gear level steam rolling content like this pitiful static strike build?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPgxX_x7sFk

3 seconds minotaur bow users, while surviving a hit with triple damage mods(the deadliest as well, Extra as + Vuln + - max res). This guy does not have a video trying to clear a map as fast as possible, but you get the idea.

What is his hp, how long does it take him to clear a map, what is his gear?

You seriously think a a single boss video without any context is any indication?

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Ceryneian a écrit :

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Nephalim a écrit :

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Ceryneian a écrit :

Nah man you are absolutely right - that build is not broken at all. It is fairly balanced, and quite common in fact, for a melee build using the default attack to obliterate T16s.

I have often wondered why many other melee builds are not using the default attack on T16 maps.

Retch is overpowered and broken, I removed it from the equation and the build is still steam rolling. Yet you find a way to whine about the next thing, and the next and the next and so forth. Nothing will appease your agenda short a naked level 60 scion doing T16's and I'm sure you find a way to whine about that as well.

Nope, that's not what you said. Do I really need to quote you? Your first post in this thread said:

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Show me a ranged build or any build that clears as fast as slayer retch.

You then go on to link videos of this same retch Slayer build using default attack to clear T16.

I then said we all know Slayer and retch is a broken mechanic - to which you reply it is not broken.

LOL - do you want me to show the full quotes?

You then show the SAME guy using a build that costs hundreds of exalts - yes, if everyone had access to hundreds of exalts we would all be trivializing content man.

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Nephalim a écrit :

Not optimal != under powered. Bad players using melee skills in sub optimal ways does not make the archetype under powered either.

Can you show me a non melee build, at any gear level steam rolling content like this pitiful static strike build?

Please, show the power of these cheap CI VP GR build trivializing content for all to see.

Yeah, as I was reading your posts I had this suspicion - but it really sounds like you have not played melee at all.

Just because you found one anomaly of a build using either a) a broken mechanic, or b) hundreds of exalts worth of gear - you think every other melee player is a bad player using "melee skills in a sub optimal way".

Now that is truly ignorant.

But thank you man - I honestly didn't know strapping legacy Kaom's and using HH with an extremely high DPS weapon and legacy flasks would trivialize content. We are all retards for not realizing that this is the "optimal" way to build melee.

Also I wouldn't call a build that is using hundreds of exalts "pitiful" - you really are trying to stretch your argument here huh?

You keep whining about videos - are you seriously trying to tell me you don't know ANY other build that is trivializing content besides this one? I'm not sure what rock you've been living under bro - there are quite a few doing it cheaper and safer than what you showed.

You are not worth responding to anymore. Continue to create your awful snail paced melee builds and complain about how under powered and worthless melee is.

I have given you examples of a build with retch, WITHOUT retch, and surely you would expect BUDGET melee builds to do T16's in 1:10 mintue yet you can not provide a single video of any ranged build at any gear level doing similar. Just because the author has not made a budget/non legacy version does not mean it is not possible. You are just limited by your own narrow mindset and lack of creativity. The question becomes, at what gear cost does a build become valid in your opinion. 1 exalts? 10? 100? You have already imposed a stupid restriction of no retch despite it costing a mere 4 exalts on breach and now you continue to impose more restrictions for the sake of your argument.

I have provided you examples of melee at the highest gear level trivializing game content even with your absurd limitation of not using retch. You have provided nothing. Where are these glorious budget ranged builds you speak of? Where are these glorious 1000 exalt ranged builds even? And to be clear, I never said budget melee > budget ranged or end gamed ranged. I said end game melee roughly = to end game ranged.

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Have you played melee at all? And to what map level and with what build? Answer that please.

How is this relevant - I have played more levels and builds than the vast majority of players in the game at this point? 97 one hegey staff.

Nephalim you must be trolling as I find it truly disturbing that you are even trying to argue that builds costing 300+ exalts are normal. Honestly man, get a clue.

Poutsos gave you a legit video and ofc all you do is whine. "how much HP?" ... "I need context!" ... this that.

There you are questioning how much HP he has when those vids you linked are of the same guy using a build costing hundreds of exalts - go tell him to take off his legacy Kaom (300 exalt alone lol).

You have derailed this thread and 8 pages in you can't even answer OP's question.

And why is it that of those few on hardcore ladder playing "melee" - are nearly all using new "melee" skills with high damage like Blade Flurry, and Earthquake before? Must be idiots for not realizing they can get higher damage, clear faster, and play safer with the other melee gems like Viper Strike, Double Strike, Dual Strike, Glacial Hammer, Static Strike lol - you are the only one who has figured it out with your 300ex+ build that can slot default attack lol.

BTW - if you are too naive to figure out what builds are trivializing content this league - cheaper and safer than a 300+ exalt melee character with legacy gear, then either you need help or you REALLY must be trolling.

And sorry, spoon-feeding trolls on a PoE forum is not how I plan my time. Sorry.

I just read through this thread and it's been a complete shit show.

Single target melee is feast or famine, you either have retch + slayer or 100+ exalt gear and make melee work awesome or it's completely trash.

There are a multitude of AOE melee, ranged and spell builds that have a much more reasonable progression that can tackle end game content.

Posting videos of fastest clear times are absurdly irrelevant.


Nephalim your arguments are weak and you are wrong. Sorry man.