OH OH! I've hit the PoE endgame XP grind mountain and everything is boring

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Hlifhildr a écrit :

The grind in PoE is worse compared to other online games/MMOs tbh. It really does feel like you're "not meant to hit 100" like one poster said, but my question is: why?

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Hlifhildr a écrit :

The grind in PoE is worse compared to other online games/MMOs tbh. It really does feel like you're "not meant to hit 100" like one poster said, but my question is: why?

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Reinhart a écrit :

Because that is how the development team envisioned it since closed beta.

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grepman a écrit :

Because not everything should be reached by majority of players. It was designed such that 100 should only be achievable after months of on-line playing the game.

And if you think grind in poe is worse than some mmos, you're mistaken. There is a reason there is a term 'Korean mmo grind'

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Hlifhildr a écrit :

If it's supposed to "take months" to reach level 100 (you probably specifically mean reaching level 100 from around level 90 since it doesn't take too long to get from level 1 to 90) in PoE then the level grind here is definitely worse than Korean MMOs. PoE isn't the only game I play; the other games I spend time on ARE Korean MMOs and at least in those games you can at least feasibly reach level cap. The only truly grindy part in the Korean MMOs I play is getting your end-game equipment

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Head_Less a écrit :

there is BIG difference between level 90 and level 100 in pvp. 10 pt is huge when fighting other players.

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Arrowneous a écrit :

 With Ascendancy right around the corner as I type this (6 days, 5 hours) I should be excited about the new content, new subclasses, new enchanting orbs, etc. Instead after reading other threads here I come to the realization that Ascendancy is not going to make the endgame xp grind and BiS gear hunt any better. There will be no wonderful alternatives (or any alternative) to what PoE is now in the endgame. We'll still have to rush through Normal and Crual, then cruise throught the first half of Merciless, maybe slowing down at the Act IV bosses (or even dieing a few times... gasp!) until we get the last passive point, and then skip the merc Belly of The Beast and go to mapping and grinding again. Making Labarinth runs for Enchantment Orbs had better be worth something (Talismans were a complete bust), more than a weak attempt by GGG to get us out of our map grinding zombie state on the xp path to at least level 90 (or 100 for the masochist time unlimited players).

 After reading many other posts here of Alpha players on Ascendancy it is quickly becoming clear that the endgame map grind will not be altered to inject new life into the mountain climb toward the peak of a level 100 build. This is quite saddening and boring me to tears. Back in CB days (end of 2012) I truly thought GGG had the base game of what would be the successor to D2 after D3 flopped so badly. OB came and went and I still had very high enthusiasm for GGG adding super cool endgame features as alternatives to (but not replacing) map grinding. I even believed that an end to desync was just around the corner (any day now). Fast forward to now and I (and everyone else still playing) have had to accept the fact that GGG is not the wiz bang indie arpg game developers that would set the arpg gaming world on fire. To be fair there are some great features in PoE from the huge passive tree where any class can go anywhere and any class can use any type of gear (none of the class specific gear crap) to the multitude of skill and support orbs so that we can go build insane crazy to the max forever (yes, a bazillion skill combos are not viable but at least there are very few restrictions to our experimenting).

 But here we all are in 2016 grinding map after endgame map for a few more XP to eek out another level up on the mountain climb to 100. There are very few "scenic overlooks" (fun diversions) anymore. Atziri is now commonplace and boring (if you can even get a midnight fragment to drop anymore). Temp league shtick such as our current talismans is a bust as the same overriding problem is killing the fun-to-play in PoE. That being the combination of lack of endgame alternatives to map grinding and the lack of any better gear. The level 75 cap on gear drops means my level 86 Scion is forever stuck with what I have found many, many levels ago. It has even been hinted at that as we level up the real quality of gear drops is slowly going down. I was thinking about that as I id'd another rare boots to see if it had a +30% speed increase mod only to be saddened (no speed or at most +10% speed). Let's see now, have I looked at 1000 rare boots yet with no +25% or +30% speed. Bad RNG or not, crap loot drop after crap loot drop after crap loot drop (ad nauseam) is making the climb to 100 just not the same anymore. The same is true for all other gear drops. With so much trash littering the Wraeclast landscape it's a wonder the island hasn't been declared a health hazard with all humans leaving it permanently. Wow, I didn't think anything could smell worse than Rhoa but GGG has found a way to top their fowl stench. Way to go GGG... NOT!!!

 But on a more serious note, why does GGG insist that the mountain climb to level 100 be so boring and without anything else but map grinding? There have been many suggestions put forward (including myself) and to date nothing has gained any traction within GGG. GGG was (still is?) considered a great company in terms of dev/player communication but are all our posts and suggestions falling on deaf ears? Today, is GGG going forward with blinders on and not listening to us? Is it the same as usual catering to what the top of the pyramid players want most and ignoring the 99%? Is it what GGG wants GGG gets done just because they can and "to hell with everyone else"? I sure hope not but Ascendancy hasn't even launched yet and the negative postings are already out and even early access players (Kripp playing on Alpha) are commenting on it being boring and not worth playing.

 I'll be playing Ascendancy to see if there is anything interesting in the new content so pre-release posts aren't putting me off from playing but another 1000+ endgame maps to grind for a few more levels does not bode well for much more play here. I'll never ever dump PoE from my hard drive but as a casual player if endgame xp grinding doesn't ever get an infusion of new things to to (endless dungeon, new quest mechanics, something... anything!) my time devoted to playing will continue to dwindle. I am sad. :(

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Reinhart a écrit :

You should ask yourself this question, given your time constraints: why would you ever want to reach level 100 on a single char when in a similar time frame you could build multiple characters that all play differently?

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Reinhart a écrit :

It is not that those last 10 skill points from lvl 90-100 define your build.

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Reinhart a écrit :

I think you are focused on that hardcap because you have been conditioned to hit max level in all the mmo's (which PoE isn't) you played.