Permanent Loot Allocation ... for .. why?

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NaughtyOne a écrit :

If 90% of the population switch over it how is that not a good sign that they did something right?

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Hulkcore a écrit :

I'm sick of the "casuals complaining" bullshit. This has nothing to do with how much time someone spends playing the game on a regular basis. I play a few hours a day and I fucking hate short allocation. I'm in no way a casual player. This is just an ad hominem and shows how piss poor of an argument those using it have.

The idea that ggg have somehow caved in and lost their convictions is silly as well. The multiple loot options simply make the game better, and making the best game possible is their #1 conviction. They're still trying out ideas. Limiting the loot options was an idea and they decided that keeping it that way wasn't making the best game possible. The old "still in beta" argument might not ring true for players because we've been given access to all of the game's content, but clearly it means that ggg feels that they are still testing things out. Sometimes they find out that the idea they had was a bad idea. At this point the wisest thing is to change your idea, and that isn't a loss of conviction.

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geradon a écrit :

this game was supposed to draw the attention of people who like risking something, hardcore players who like pvp games and whatnot.

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geradon a écrit :

but i mostly see people complaining about ninjas, "stolen" items, competitive playstyle and too much risk in the game's party play. and they eventually win with their constant complaining. the devs will have their own reasons why they gave in and made this game more casual.

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geradon a écrit :

permanent allocation makes party play much more attractive (because of guaranteed loot and the option to leech items with no risk)

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nynyny a écrit :

Before someone jumps in and posts a sentence like "you dont have to play in pub groups" you should consider that sometimes youre maybe in the mood to map while none of your friends are online, meaning you have to either solo or group up with pubs. Pubbing right now means accepting the fact that the loot is perma allocated, you dont really have a choice, especially if your build isnt capable of soloing (or it simply being extremely inefficient).

In closed beta the devs always stated how they looked at loot, it was supposed to be a competition. Them changing their oppinion so radically actually makes me wonder what will be next.

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nynyny a écrit :

I was pretty sceptical when I first saw the new options GGG added to the loot system, and it turns out that I was for a reason. Not only does it slow down the map clearing speed of most groups since there are a lot of people who tend to play extremely safe now, like for example stay completely out of the bosses range and dont attack him more than once since they know that noone can snatch their loot anyway.

Before implementing it the devs should have though about the consequences. It was obvious that as soon as this kind of option is available 90% of the groups will us it, and if you ask me that simply isnt a good sign. Giving people an easy way out to avoid actual competition will always make them choose said way.

I understand why GGG would want to allocate currency and rares, hell to some extend even why they deem it necessary for 4Links/5Links/6Links, but why Portal and Wisdom Scrolls? And most of all, why high level whites?

To me it looks like they took it "right up the ass". Completely disregarding everything they said about their ideas before, what they want loot to be seen as, that they want the whole process to be a competition. You taking out the competition for extremely valuable items is cool with me, after all there are a lot of people who have internet problem or tend to desynch and therefore would lose a lot of their loot otherwise. But allocating high level white, the only thing you could compete over at this point? The casual playerbase pretty much made them abandon one of their basic principles within 6 months, do I actually want to know what else will happen?

Before someone jumps in and posts a sentence like "you dont have to play in pub groups" you should consider that sometimes youre maybe in the mood to map while none of your friends are online, meaning you have to either solo or group up with pubs. Pubbing right now means accepting the fact that the loot is perma allocated, you dont really have a choice, especially if your build isnt capable of soloing (or it simply being extremely inefficient).

In closed beta the devs always stated how they looked at loot, it was supposed to be a competition. Them changing their oppinion so radically actually makes me wonder what will be next.

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nynyny a écrit :

Ninja? Short Allocation gives you the chance to pick up your item UNCONTESTED. If you dont do it in a set amount of time you didnt deserve it, simple as that. You dont even get what ninjaing means.

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Schakar a écrit :

Same goes for some ranged builds. If you run into close combat range you die!

There is absolut NO reason, to deny people who aren't willing to die their loot.

If you ever played a raid-mmo you might learned: FIRST kill THEN loot.
If the timer starts AFTER every sorounding monster is dead fine. But just to make the life of griffers, ninjas and other anti-sozial people easier ... NO!

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Vooodu a écrit :

And people will always cry.

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Schakar a écrit :

You are a minority, the rest of us are the majority ;).