Permanent Loot Allocation ... for .. why?

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ScrotieMcB a écrit :

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Asphael a écrit :

And to continue: I don't agree that MP needs something special... it already has something special, you're playing with your friends for god's sake... it should be more fun. MP doesn't need some magical bonus to make people play the game, it should simply be at least as much fun as SP.

If it were really true that people play multiplayer with their friends, PA's core appeal -- the elimination of ninja looting -- wouldn't even be a factor.

Only rarely do people play multiplayer with their friends; generally speaking, they want to play in random pub games.

PA's core appeal is shifting the focus from looting to combat. That does apply when playing with friends.

That is a ridiculous claim.

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Sickness a écrit :

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ScrotieMcB a écrit :

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Asphael a écrit :

And to continue: I don't agree that MP needs something special... it already has something special, you're playing with your friends for god's sake... it should be more fun. MP doesn't need some magical bonus to make people play the game, it should simply be at least as much fun as SP.

If it were really true that people play multiplayer with their friends, PA's core appeal -- the elimination of ninja looting -- wouldn't even be a factor.

Only rarely do people play multiplayer with their friends; generally speaking, they want to play in random pub games.

PA's core appeal is shifting the focus from looting to combat. That does apply when playing with friends.

That is a ridiculous claim.

If you're playing with friends, and you agreed to focus on combat, you'd focus on combat; you'd trust them and not need to worry about permanent loot allocation.

The point of PA is that you don't trust the people you're playing with.

I mean, obvious stuff here; PA is a anti-ninja feature. I'm completely dumbfounded that anyone would disagree with this.

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ScrotieMcB a écrit :

If you're playing with friends, and you agreed to focus on combat, you'd focus on combat; you'd trust them and not need to worry about permanent loot allocation.

The point of PA is that you don't trust the people you're playing with.

No, it's still there. Because it's such a hassle if you don't grab your stuff before the timer runs out.

I am speaking from experience here, so you can't really argue agains it. 90% of my time in PoE has been in groups with close RL friends and the only thing we competed for was chromatic links. And yet I still think that PA made the game more enjoyable!

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ScrotieMcB a écrit :

I mean, obvious stuff here; PA is a anti-ninja feature.

It's more than that. I have told you before, but all I got was a "learn to play".

FFA is/was a horrible system - it doesn't encourage anything but people scanning the ground for drops. It turns the game into a challenge of who can click faster, and puts ranged users at a disadvantage.

GGG didn't "take it up the ass" they gave the player base options, and if the playerbase is choosing a particular option, its because that's what the playerbase considers fun. So, complain to them, not GGG.

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Sickness a écrit :

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ScrotieMcB a écrit :

If you're playing with friends, and you agreed to focus on combat, you'd focus on combat; you'd trust them and not need to worry about permanent loot allocation.

The point of PA is that you don't trust the people you're playing with.

No, it's still there. Because it's such a hassle if you don't grab your stuff before the timer runs out.

What hassle?!? If one of your teammates grabs it, they can trade it back to you... or you could just ask for some assistance later!

Maybe PA is actually there as some kind of self-delusion enabler, so that you can think that you have friends when the reality is that they'd all cheat behind your back at the first opportunity, and have no interest in helping you out if you're struggling.

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Wittgenstein a écrit :

FFA is/was a horrible system - it doesn't encourage anything but people scanning the ground for drops. It turns the game into a challenge of who can click faster, and puts ranged users at a disadvantage.

I think people were still encouraged to kill the monsters in addition to scanning the ground. Need to put more stuff on the ground eventually and all.

Paying attention should be rewarded. And giving melee an edge over ranged is fucking fantastic.

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ScrotieMcB a écrit :

What hassle?!? If one of your teammates grabs it, they can trade it back to you... or you could just ask for some assistance later!

But you need to keep track of the stuff, therefor it takes focus away from what I consider the real game. And it doesn't add anything for me.

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ScrotieMcB a écrit :

Paying attention should be rewarded.

How about this: Every now and then a small red dot flies on to the screen, and if you click on it in time you get a reward!

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ScrotieMcB a écrit :

And giving melee an edge over ranged is fucking fantastic.

Lets give melee an edge by making them better on mondays and fridays!

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ScrotieMcB a écrit :

Paying attention should be rewarded. And giving melee an edge over ranged is fucking fantastic.

Yeah, D3 Barb.. it's fanfuckingtastic.

Btw. I don't think quoting less than half the post and ignoring the rest of it will lead to any worthwhile discussion.

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ScrotieMcB a écrit :

Maybe PA is actually there as some kind of self-delusion enabler, so that you can think that you have friends when the reality is that they'd all cheat behind your back at the first opportunity, and have no interest in helping you out if you're struggling.

It is. It's a substitute for actual formation of at least some sort of social bonds and just plain normal player-to-player interaction. I don't know why people don't mention this as a factor more often.