No...the majority of players do not hate the game

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greyshadow#7139 a écrit :

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Schverika#2698 a écrit :

But we can say such people aren't in a virtual lynch mob that wants the game to die so PoE 1 comes back to sole priority.

Come on, don't joke that everyone who criticizes the current state of POE2 wants to destroy this game.

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Schverika#2698 a écrit :

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greyshadow#7139 a écrit :

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Schverika#2698 a écrit :

But we can say such people aren't in a virtual lynch mob that wants the game to die so PoE 1 comes back to sole priority.

Come on, don't joke that everyone who criticizes the current state of POE2 wants to destroy this game.

Eh sure, I was in a rush to type so didn't put enough words to cover the full spectrum. On one extreme, you have players who like 0.2 just the way it is. On the other extreme, you have those who want to burn it all down. Most players are somewhere inbetween with exhibits like:

- is primarily interested in hearing rare currencies drop, in seeing good gear drop, in crafting good gear. Fun from loot, not from "chores". Thus cannot stand how getting the optimal drops in 0.2 means running around for ideal 3 tower overlaps while holding a bunch of rarity modded maps. Maybe they like the combat, maybe they don't, the drop situation dominates their displeasure.

- wants to get into the game, has not learnt how to deal with the zerg rush of 50 white mobs. Feels they have to turn to blaster meta builds, OP gear or whatever else to compensate for not knowing how to fight the horde.

- can't stand having to juggle so many active skills to do combat if not using blaster meta builds, does not find any joy in the complexity. Just wants to have simple buttons that give a good time, not the contraption that they find exhausting to engage with.

- wants to experiment a lot, can't because support gems are relatively scarce, full respec is prohibitive and they're not down to run the campaign again as they want to perfect one character instead of floating many alts


The sheer quantity of unsatisfied voices can make it difficult to notice the subtle differences in what people are unhappy about. Especially when the odd loud voice is yelling that the game should burn and be rebuilt as a PoE 1 clone; or the other side loudly yelling back without acknowledging the nuanced complaints.

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LFA01#0120 a écrit :

I meeeaaaan...some interest groups pumping money into big video game companies to push propaganda is pretty well documented and self admitted at this point.

But realistically I really don't think this has anything to do with drop rates being low in poe 2. At least we can 100% give some credit to ggg for steering clear off that stuff. And so should we if we're talking poe, probably.
Quite frankly if we are going to be mad and bicker about thing I'm very happy if we do it about the amount of regal orbs we have instead [Removed by Support]. That would be pretty stupid.

I want more regal orbs though.
Also I've noticed the size of Atziri's four glorious tits has been considerably nerfed, I've seen it on the statues. Surely this is Klaus Schwab's doing and I strongly disaprove.

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Hyperspacing#5593 a écrit :

I never claimed that "The majority of players left a negative review" My claim was when people say that the Majority of players dislike the direction of the game or dislike the game in general (and variables of this statement) that this is NOT bored out by the data.

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1) The majority of 0.2 reviews are negative (64%)- How many negative reviews were left in 0.2? What percent of the player base does that account for? What percent of the 64% changed their minds and are content with the game now and never changed their review?

2) The majority of players left (66%)- How many of those numbers came back? How many left cause they dislike the game compared to real-life situations?

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Week 4 has a average daily player of approx 80k and that number is currently rising (in the last 3 days its starting to uptick). So we ask ourselves...why are the numbers starting to rise again? Is it because another game came out and people are getting bored with it and coming back to POE 2?

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I can agree that some players are not enjoying themselves. I never disagreed. My only disagreement is stating that the "majority of players" are having a bad time. You can use the 64% of reviews but those reviews account for less than 15% of the current daily player base. which is not the majority but the minority. Also, during that time 11% of daily players left a positive review.

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Hey, let's try to keep it a bit more civil. I sense a bit of anger or hostility and I've been nothing but respectful to you. Ill go back to the same manner on which my first response to you was.

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LiMA6#0387 a écrit :

Anger and emotions sends a clearer message

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LiMA6#0387 a écrit :

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Hey, let's try to keep it a bit more civil. I sense a bit of anger or hostility and I've been nothing but respectful to you. Ill go back to the same manner on which my first response to you was.

I actually do not know why people need to be all so "civil", yes it's conforming to rules, but i'd argue the rules in place are detrimental to the progression of this game.

People are simply angry, and if you don't want an angry mob, just make an announcement that issues are being addressed. It's really that simple.

I've seen 5 pages essays being written, but to what good? Did devs ever *ONCE* acknowledge and thank "civil" and "logical" and "well-documented" writings? Link me a single "Thank you for your detailed feedback, we will be taking notes from it". It's a complete waste of time.

Anger and emotions sends a clearer message

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pollozik#7790 a écrit :

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LiMA6#0387 a écrit :

Anger and emotions sends a clearer message

Absolutely false, in every field and even more so in real life."

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JakkerONAIR#4902 a écrit :

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Hyperspacing#5593 a écrit :

I never claimed that "The majority of players left a negative review" My claim was when people say that the Majority of players dislike the direction of the game or dislike the game in general (and variables of this statement) that this is NOT bored out by the data.

I quote you:
"The data is clear that less then 20% of the total players of Dawn of the hunt left a negative review. Ether or, however you slice it, it is NOT the majority of players currently playing."

This counter-argument implies that a statement, "The majority of players left a negative review", was made when it wasn't.

It's a small difference, but significant, between:
"the majority of players left a negative review"
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"the majority of reviews left by players are negative"

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1) The majority of 0.2 reviews are negative (64%)- How many negative reviews were left in 0.2? What percent of the player base does that account for? What percent of the 64% changed their minds and are content with the game now and never changed their review?

2) The majority of players left (66%)- How many of those numbers came back? How many left cause they dislike the game compared to real-life situations?

Not factored into the data because it's pure speculation, for both sides of the argumentation.

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Week 4 has a average daily player of approx 80k and that number is currently rising (in the last 3 days its starting to uptick). So we ask ourselves...why are the numbers starting to rise again? Is it because another game came out and people are getting bored with it and coming back to POE 2?

The numbers went up in the last few days because of the weekend and will drop again with a high probability.

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I can agree that some players are not enjoying themselves. I never disagreed. My only disagreement is stating that the "majority of players" are having a bad time. You can use the 64% of reviews but those reviews account for less than 15% of the current daily player base. which is not the majority but the minority. Also, during that time 11% of daily players left a positive review.

Like I said, I presented the data, and what opinion you form based on that - is up to you.

The claims still remain true:
1) 64% of the 0.2 reviews made are negative
2) The majority of ppl already left patch 0.2 , with 34% peak and 50% avg remaining