PoE 2 has lost over 80% of its players in 3 months.

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JEE_ZUZ#0982 a écrit :

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JakkerONAIR#4902 a écrit :

WE (the PoE player base) know that because Chris Wilson himself said it.

So, you are the one just using a lot of words and saying nothing.

When exactly did he said that? Billion years ago when POE1 was launched?
Maybe then in 2012, when i assume Steam wasn't that popular platform as now, and before GGG actively begun to promote the game, maybe, just maybe under this and possibly more circumstances the smaller part of playerbase were using Steam.

But if you would try to say that 600.000 players peak on Steam is just a fraction of all playerbase now, I would laugh. Because it's a joke.

Dude... this was stated in the last few years. And if you would think for at least one second, you could make out pretty easily WHY most ppl don't use Steam for "Path of Exile".

The entire Chinese player base does not use the Steam Client, they have a separate one. Ppl who play PoE1 for a while, even when they started with the Steam Client, switch to the stand-alone version because of the advantages we have in terms of download/league start. Console players don't use Steam either.
So, when Chris says that most don't use Steam - most don't use Steam.

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JakkerONAIR#4902 a écrit :

So, when Chris says that most don't use Steam - most don't use Steam.

Again: When and where did he say that? It's easy to claim things without backing them up. A source to your claim is the absolute minimum effort.

Because Chris Wilson also said you're known for bending the truth a little.

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HeartBeat#6967 a écrit :

Yet it amazes me you failed to prove his point wrong.
Knowing many ``dadgamers`` does not constitute the ``majority of players`` in the slightest.

His "point" was his own conjecture without any data backing it up. Weird that you haven't called him out ;) Nothing to be amazed about.

There was no point to prove wrong, We don't have any data on how successful the majority of players are, what progress they reached etc. Any "point" will be non- existent.

His original point was btw a strawman, he couldn't refute the actual argument that regluar poe1 players have decent knowledge about the game in the way of having finished their characters/build (ofc following some kind of statstacker/spark build), so he threw out something about a general majority being a lackluster average. Yes, he said that, beautifully showing that he actually never learned statistics.

He suddenly switched the majority of poe1 players to the majority of poe2 players which are very different indeed. My anectotal evidence was based on the second player group.


edit: I actully tried to find data of average players hours anywhere, but data is inconclusive. There is no real stats page, only polls and ssteam comments with hours stats

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gX_kiD#0166 a écrit :

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JakkerONAIR#4902 a écrit :

So, when Chris says that most don't use Steam - most don't use Steam.

Again: When and where did he say that? It's easy to claim things without backing them up. A source to your claim is the absolute minimum effort.

Because Chris Wilson also said you're known for bending the truth a little.

I don't watch the interviews of the last few years only to find the quote. Look it up yourself if you cannot believe it.

Just a thought experiment:
The "Ultimatum" league had a player peak on Steam of 154k ppl, BUT the league had massive stability problems on league start so... on the "Frankfurt" realm ALONE we had a 150k-200k queue.
That means, even the "Frankfurt" realm alone would be enough to "host" every single Steam user. So... do all the other realms around the world not exist?
I guess so...

The typical cycle of huge numbers right at the start of a new league and the the rapid decline after several weeks isn't anything new to the genre. Some simply get bored easily, others dislike a certain aspect of the game or move on to another new hype. Some even quit, because they played the game and beat every content. So far this hasn't been to much of an issue, since players would return for the next season.
What worries me more is the probability of supporters not willing to spend money on supporter packs, since they simply can't invest enough time to not be disappointed by the game or the results. In PoE1 I found this balance quite appealing and almost always bought one supporter pack or more. In PoE2, I simply do not see the point in supporting GGG to that extent, since a lot of mechanics are not my preferable style of gaming. There is hardly any chance to make a lot of builds viable for endgame apart from the oneshot-1sec-boss-oblitartion builds. Most endgame bosses in poe1 had a good balance between being tanky and dealing out damage, so you could either tank their damage or go for a high-dps build. PoE2 lacks these mechanics (e.g. high life pool and high regeneration to tank through several attacks).
So far, my only hope is the continuous improval of the game by GGG. They've tackled several issues (more portals for bosses) and I can only hope, that this will continue. I would love to spend more money on a game which rewards my time and my average skills. For me, an average player should be able to beat all of the content after several weeks of continuous playing. The 5% of players who have enough determination to invest way more time can happily chase after achievements, faster ways to beat a boss and excel at farming T18-breaches. They can play HCSSF or adjust the difficulty in other ways.
So, to put it in a nutshell: See you soon, after the new patches have changed the game, but GGG won't see any money from me, if there is no motivation for me to do so.

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JakkerONAIR#4902 a écrit :

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gX_kiD#0166 a écrit :

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JakkerONAIR#4902 a écrit :

So, when Chris says that most don't use Steam - most don't use Steam.

Again: When and where did he say that? It's easy to claim things without backing them up. A source to your claim is the absolute minimum effort.

Because Chris Wilson also said you're known for bending the truth a little.

I don't watch the interviews of the last few years only to find the quote. Look it up yourself if you cannot believe it.

Just a thought experiment:
The "Ultimatum" league had a player peak on Steam of 154k ppl, BUT the league had massive stability problems on league start so... on the "Frankfurt" realm ALONE we had a 150k-200k queue.
That means, even the "Frankfurt" realm alone would be enough to "host" every single Steam user. So... do all the other realms around the world not exist?
I guess so...

So you made up a quote & number, then doubled down on it with even more conjecture when called out.

Not surprised.

And miss me with your "thought experiments" and "anecdotes".

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JakkerONAIR#4902 a écrit :

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JEE_ZUZ#0982 a écrit :

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JakkerONAIR#4902 a écrit :

WE (the PoE player base) know that because Chris Wilson himself said it.

So, you are the one just using a lot of words and saying nothing.

When exactly did he said that? Billion years ago when POE1 was launched?
Maybe then in 2012, when i assume Steam wasn't that popular platform as now, and before GGG actively begun to promote the game, maybe, just maybe under this and possibly more circumstances the smaller part of playerbase were using Steam.

But if you would try to say that 600.000 players peak on Steam is just a fraction of all playerbase now, I would laugh. Because it's a joke.

Dude... this was stated in the last few years. And if you would think for at least one second, you could make out pretty easily WHY most ppl don't use Steam for "Path of Exile".

The entire Chinese player base does not use the Steam Client, they have a separate one. Ppl who play PoE1 for a while, even when they started with the Steam Client, switch to the stand-alone version because of the advantages we have in terms of download/league start. Console players don't use Steam either.
So, when Chris says that most don't use Steam - most don't use Steam.

Oh, so they are not leaving the game, they are just switching platforms! That was brilliant! [Removed by Support] How the fanboys are stubborn after all...

The defining statemant was that 80% have left the game. And it is colossal amount of players. You may expect the Chinese are leaving in equal proportion as well as standalone players. And this is an indicator that the game is boring af.
And till you say a word, bring the statistics of the amount of players on Chinese platform, standalone other platforms whatever and their changes. Till then 80% have left the game. And for the game this is a disaster.

And they are leaving not becasue they have done everything they want - there is nothing to do. They are just leaving because they are bored to death. Stop defending it ffs.

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gX_kiD#0166 a écrit :

So you made up a quote & number, then doubled down on it with even more conjecture when called out.

Not surprised.

And miss me with your "thought experiments" and "anecdotes".

That Chris said that most ppl don't use Steam is not made up. The only thing we never got is complete official numbers for all players around the world.
And that you dismiss the "experiment" is telling.
You know, how does it come that a single realm in Germany had more ppl in the queue than all Steam players together? Yeah... obviously you can't answer that.

While the numbers provided by sites like "activeplayer.io" are not official and probably not precise enough to state them as a fact - they are a good indicator.
In the end, they just use tools to measure the player count and even with +/- whatever, Steam would make a fraction of that.

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JakkerONAIR#4902 a écrit :

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That Chris said that most ppl don't use Steam is not made up.

Until you provide a source, it absolutely is "made up". That's simply the rules of debate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)

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JakkerONAIR#4902 a écrit :

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gX_kiD#0166 a écrit :

So you made up a quote & number, then doubled down on it with even more conjecture when called out.

Not surprised.

And miss me with your "thought experiments" and "anecdotes".

Man, in every forum post, you're unable to see that the game have problems and that if it continues this route, the game will become an abandon ware. For a live service game, the retention is very low and that's a fact. In perspective, Elder Scroll online have 300k players daily... for a 10 years old game.

The game feels like there's no captain in the boat. Every dev makes something that he finds cool on a table corner and it makes it in the game. If you are unable to see that the game have major issues, maybe stop pumping your money on this one and go buy other projects and see how an early access should be handled.