can we please stop the power creep, already? (or better - reverse it)

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Power creep is a problem, but proper balance is too. Notably how some skill gems, see current whatever the meta of the league are just blatantly outclassing others.

Looking at you barrage >.>

But seriously Fruz, you and others like Wat Wat need to stop voicing the silly straw man that everyone wants an i win button and to get off the elitist high horse about what you think poe should be. Poe will be what to GGG makes them money.

Now if only they could make a game that had actual build variety too, instead of the power creep of damage competing with the power creep of one shots unless you "choose" to devote nearly an entire build to life and defenses (see how OP syndicate were) and if you even try to deviate from it you get clobbered by the high end.

God help you if you try to use two different skill paths too. That's the bigger problem, the "d3'ing" of POE where its use whatever skill is op this time, build defense, profit. You can't create a viable game that way where "fun" builds stand no chance. And you can't even choose to try glass cannon because 1 shots.

And Rob thinking the game should be balanced around endgame top tier is laughable and shows how you don't get it either. A good game would be balanced at all levels. PoE isn't.

lolz @ making a post like above the day after the biggest abominations of power creep were showcased.

Just play melee.
And suffer.

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Außenseiter a écrit :

Just play melee.
And suffer.

will do
and gonna be just fine and dandy ^^

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Dragonkat42 a écrit :

One of those moments where I feel like the silliness of some of the comments is best shown via meme.

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You take all life nodes that you can ... and end up at 6k HP only ?
What ?
Do you even know what you're talking about at all ?

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Dragonkat42 a écrit :

But seriously Fruz, you and others like Wat Wat need to stop voicing the silly straw man that everyone wants an i win button and to get off the elitist high horse about what you think poe should be. Poe will be what to GGG makes them money.

That's an amazing example of a strawman right there, very good job.


This thread is about how ridiculous power creep is getting, and people who clearly lack knowledge / understanding of the game and keep saying that there is no power creep problem are being called out on that, obviously.

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Dragonkat42 a écrit :

God help you if you try to use two different skill paths too. That's the bigger problem, the "d3'ing" of POE where its use whatever skill is op this time, build defense, profit. You can't create a viable game that way where "fun" builds stand no chance

You can, but you need to be knowledgeable and good at the game for that.
And many feel entitled to be good at the game without putting the effort, not understanding that if you cannot fail building a character, the whole game is meaningless.

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Dragonkat42 a écrit :

God help you if you try to use two different skill paths too. That's the bigger problem, the "d3'ing" of POE where its use whatever skill is op this time, build defense, profit. You can't create a viable game that way where "fun" builds stand no chance. And you can't even choose to try glass cannon because 1 shots.

- fun build? You mean those auto-bomber/explosion on kill builds specially made for impaired people?

i think it's time you added to your mspaint collection

Yep, the 3.6.0 patch notes really did it.

GGG- "So I heard that you like 1 shot spells, easy energy shield leech, and tons of damage."

Absolute mental retards- "Wow, these changes are so cool and the new strong spells look fun. I'm so glad this game is well balanced."

Normal people- "Wow, this power creep has reached an all time high. Many of these changes are unnecessarily strong and create an even larger gap in power between melee and ranged. In addition to this, rather than nerfing problem children skills that are too strong, they are just buffing everything (except melee) and making everything (except some melee skills) too strong. I really think GGG have gone off the deep end now."


This is to say that, If GGG don't turn the ship around, I will be sadly not returning for 4.0. Not that the developers read this forum, or even care anymore. This was a very sad Kanye, not cool.

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KiwiGivl a écrit :

Yep, the 3.6.0 patch notes really did it.

GGG- "So I heard that you like 1 shot spells, easy energy shield leech, and tons of damage."

Absolute mental retards- "Wow, these changes are so cool and the new strong spells look fun. I'm so glad this game is well balanced."

Normal people- "Wow, this power creep has reached an all time high. Many of these changes are unnecessarily strong and create an even larger gap in power between melee and ranged. In addition to this, rather than nerfing problem children skills that are too strong, they are just buffing everything (except melee) and making everything (except some melee skills) too strong. I really think GGG have gone off the deep end now."


This is to say that, If GGG don't turn the ship around, I will be sadly not returning for 4.0. Not that the developers read this forum, or even care anymore. This was a very sad Kanye, not cool.

I will say this you came closer to hitting upon the true issue then Fruz or Wat wat could ever hope too.

Lets amend it slightly though.

Normal people who realize this isn't black and white (or if Fruz and Rob were being honest elitism vs casuals) and understand cause and effect.

"Wow, this power creep has reached an all time high. Many of these changes are unnecessarily strong and create an even larger gap in power between skill gems that aren't part of the OP metas (before we even talk about melee vs ranged) Without addressing the fact some encounters have such high 1 shot potential (hello IT and Tora for example in betrayal) and mob damage has to keep up so it just further highlights the poor balance that GGG is failing at and lack of build variety by piling more OP skills on top of OP encounters. Where if you aren't spending more time in PoE builder then PoE itself, and taking every last life node you can good luck seeing top tier.

To provide two specific examples, I've tried going off the beaten paths and making a build in betrayal that tried to rely on the machine gun speed of barrage and mirage archer support, with life on hit vs leech since it's multiple low damage pops, and chain support for extra hits.

Did it work? Eh? Kinda? Up until the point Guff walked up with his Rippy bonus shock on hit item and said "hello my name is spike damage, you're trying to leech? and you have 75% lit resist? that's cute!" POP

And needless to say good luck having the clear speed to get a caravan too. It was a slog build and it was stupid as hell that rain of arrows with it's guaranteed hits was getting me more leech and more damage output. When you're clearing faster on boss level mobs with an aoe then a single target attack that's not build fail, that poor design and poor balance.

Next? Viper strike / frenzy trickster. got to act 5 before the end of the league and was bored to tears. The damage output even when dual wielding two unique sabers for most of that again was laughable. Even with multistrike poison dots were meh. Though I will give it credit for killing innocence faster then some builds I've made. IT did get past kitava with 0 dying. And it pretty much could gut syndicate members in seconds. But I wonder, was that skill or the uniques damage output? It still couldn't hold a candle to a previous trickster I built using contagion and essence drain to just vaporize entire packs in seconds. and herald of agony was a joke in terms of time it stays around and damage it adds. When I swapped viper for blade furry using cast on kill/essence drain with contagion for giggles, the kill speed increase quickly made viper obsolete.

again is that poor build choice or poor balance?

The other problem was I could tell by act 5 the build had crap for adequate defense. I tried crafting up to get 120 ES a second regen on my gear, and ghost reaver for more leech. Again hello spike damage my old friend. Evasion and energy shield nodes and Hybrid gear just wasn't going to cut it. So scrap heap, that and the league ended.


The problem isn't power creep itself, the problem is the balance flaws the power creep shows. Which GGG is not doing anywhere near a good enough job of correcting, which is why many gems, crafting options, and skill passives don't see a shred of use. And which betrayal really brought to the fore with how overtuned the syndicate was. When people spend more time locking your league away then playing it that doesn't show poor build choices either, that shows poor game design. And again, that's before we even start talking about melee.

So yes I agree power creep is part of the problem, the problem is a lot of the posters here aren't talking power creep, they're talking about bruised egos and e-peens.

When you get called out for saying that people just want I win buttons and to watch netflix while clicking, or hide between saying "It's about your choices." Or say it's a straw man argument one moment, but then say in the next.

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And many feel entitled to be good at the game without putting the effort, not understanding that if you cannot fail building a character, the whole game is meaningless.

You know how you "fail" Easy, take any non OP gem or non meta build, or just play melee [/rimshot] =p

Just admit what you're really saying. You're butthurt that the damn dirty casuals who only get a couple hours a day (yours truly) might actually get to high end maps or see Shaper and Elder at some point this Century without putting in the "effort" You vaunted PoE gods *dripping sarcasm* have done. And do it without mindlessly grinding currency just to get the couple pieces of OP gear that also highlights the further balance flaws that exist.

The sheer unmitagted horror of it! I man how DARE we think that builds not perfectly optimized for every node and try to do something outside the metas, or builds built to try different combos should have that privilege. What WERE we thinking? *eyeroll*

Don't you know this is path of exile! Having fun in a game instead of min maxing and currency grinding! Go back to D3 noobz!

And I'll say it again if you try to balance a game around the 1%, you only get 1% staying, that's not how you make money if you're GGG. and thank god for it, if PoE did cater the forum elitists it wouldn't be doing itself any favors.

Now if anyone needs me I think I'm going to go try and make a avatar of fire witch turning all my cold damage to fire to make super crit ignites with ice spear and cold snap burning everything.

May not be meta, but it may at least be fun.

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Dragonkat42 a écrit :

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Way to type a novel about how you agree but disagree.


The issue is seen with those meta skills you mentioned that have the capacity for zero comprehension of the game still blasting all content. If that goes too far, even locked to a few skill choices, it really deters people from wanting to push other ideas. It's shit for everyone, including the first timer following his ele hit guide that learns nothing, using multiple illogical gear choices, and still finding the game "ez".

Skill balance is a great issue, I mentioned it in this thread months ago. But we are at a point where you can take anything, give it speed and damage, and breeze through most content. Will lightning warp kill shaper as a league starter? No. No it won't. But you could legitimately run lightning warp as your damage source and clear maps/generic content. All on a shitter sized pool and a seething divine life pot.