Why is Trading so Hated?

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HasuKishi a écrit :

Hello forum base of Path of Exile, I have a question that will most definitely lead to total derailment, flaming, trolling and utter rage. I am not expecting this thread to last long. But, perhaps there will be a chance that someone, somewhere can answer my question in a sensible fashion. My hopes are high.

The question is in the title. Why on earth does it seem that trading is so hated?

IMO, there are numerous reasons that trade can or does rub people the wrong way. Whether correct or incorrect in their assessment:

Some players feel that trading is required if you want to progress rapidly and be in the upper echelons of leveling and or mapping.

Some feel that game balance has been adjusted around a trading economy and that the resultant drop rates hinder players who just like playing solo and or don't want to trade.

Some people dislike the fluctuating price structure that accompanies artificial economies.

Some players dislike the way other players behave during the trading process - such as not responding, lack of pricing, interruptions during gaming session, etc. A lot of these annoyances aren't caused by the trading per se, but by the incongruities of human nature.

Some feel frustrated that items they would like are priced far beyond their reach and and/or items they find themselves are not valued enough to make trading worthwhile.

Some players feel it detracts from finding items yourselves and/or that the game quickly devolves into people farming for currency so they can get all their gear through a trading system.

Some players don't mind trading, or dislike only a couple aspects of it. Some actually enjoy it.

As for the "hate" - players are passionate about what they like and dislike in games when it affects their playing style quite a bit - which trading can and does do through various mechanisms.

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PeachieMark a écrit :

None of this makes any sense. There is absolutely nothing stopping you from taking literally 1-2 minutes to link your gear in a forum thread, so it appears on xyz like everyone else does. The random nature of loot in this game actually makes it IMPOSSIBLE to monopolize the market on anything, even Atziri loot. I can't stop you from getting it if you farm midnights and learn the fight.

iirc, you also need to be on the ladder. Then there's the need to be 'online' to trade which casuals aren't most of the time. Hence the label 'casual'.

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galuf a écrit :

Because currencies behave like derived products in real life markets(wich is awesome) but with RMT everything beeing indexed on Chaos wich is based on Exs, Farmable currencies value that obtention are more influenced by player skill(chaos/regal mostly) have their value based on average farm time.

Meaning that playing the game like you should(no bot, no rmt) the game becomes highly unfair pretty fast creating inequalities in guilds of players and promoting heavily degrading behaviors.


It's that simple, basically you play it with 5-10 trusty mates in a close quarter semi self found environnement, or you are part/victim of very egrading process when playing the game. Game challenges too much my morality to be played more than 1 week per league, if GGG finds a way to get rid of rmt/bots it would be great. Even selling a big unique like a shav on ladder for 30 ex in early leagues is extremly degrading. Market prices become very fast completly disconnected from game's reality.

You use some fancy language but clearly don't understand what it means. Selling a Shav's for 30ex is degrading? Don't sell it for that price or don't sell it all if you feel that way. Shav's costs that much because it's the best DPS item there is. Period. Market prices do are not disconnected from the game's reality. They are absolutely reflective of the game's reality. You can buy or sell any item for any price you want. That's why prices fluctuate based on current supply and demand in that exact point of the league. It's entirely connected.

Rmt, degradation, guild inequality? Morality?... And you only play 1 week per league. Clearly, YOU are the one disconnected from the game's reality.

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Nephalim a écrit :

Because its more efficient than actually playing the game.

Posts like this truly make me laugh, hysterically, ROFL. you Play the game, to get the tradeables, to play more of the game. YOU ARE PLAYING THE GAME.

Now that being said item flippers and trade tycoons, well they are playing the same game, they are just going about it differently. Instead of playing the game, to get the tradeables to play more of the game, they are trading and flipping to be able to play more of the game, though in essence, they would have to play some to atleast start with some currency.

I have no problem with trading.

But, I have a huge problem with trading in POE. It is extremely clunky and time consuming. Its not good when the most efficient way to trade in a game is a system that requires 3rd party sites and mechanics.


Since you literally cannot reach true end game without trading, you need a better system than this. Its my 1 and only complaint about this game. Everything else I can live with or out right love.

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Consequence a écrit :

Since you literally cannot reach true end game without trading, you need a better system than this. Its my 1 and only complaint about this game. Everything else I can live with or out right love.

This is what I'm talking about. Everyone always says that, and it's simply false. There are MANY builds that can run 78s self found.

cause i want to play the game , that means to kill monsters all day long not to sit in town desperately trying to sell/buy something

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PeachieMark a écrit :

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Consequence a écrit :

Since you literally cannot reach true end game without trading, you need a better system than this. Its my 1 and only complaint about this game. Everything else I can live with or out right love.

This is what I'm talking about. Everyone always says that, and it's simply false. There are MANY builds that can run 78s self found.

While that may be true technically, it isn't in practice, esp since the end of snapshotting. The fact is the maps themselves become the problem. You simply cannot get a big enough map pool to advance your character in most leagues without trading. Furthermore, with the nerf to snap shotting I actually might not agree that there even are that many builds that work self found.

I am sure someone has done it, but I do not know any anyone in my guild or any streamer who killed Atziri with a no snap shot solo self found toon on any HC server. I Imagine someone could with like a RF build and some luck, but I haven't seen it. So saying it is possible is nice, but nobody says who has done it without snapshotting and even if they did, it doesn't mean everyone can do it.

But this is all besides the point and not really on topic. Are you actually arguing that POE has a good trading system? That a game that forces people to use 3rd party sites and indexers is a good system? You don't think there is better systems than this? lo

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PeachieMark a écrit :

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Consequence a écrit :

Since you literally cannot reach true end game without trading, you need a better system than this. Its my 1 and only complaint about this game. Everything else I can live with or out right love.

This is what I'm talking about. Everyone always says that, and it's simply false. There are MANY builds that can run 78s self found.

While that may be true technically, it isn't in practice, esp since the end of snapshotting. The fact is the maps themselves become the problem. You simply cannot get a big enough map pool to advance your character in most leagues without trading. Furthermore, with the nerf to snap shotting I actually might not agree that there even are that many builds that work self found.

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That because of how picky people are with maps. What a lot of the more "blinded" audience of the game runs, lets say, 75's. ONLY 75's. no 74's, no 76's. 75's. And thats the problem. If your goal is to run ONE tier of map, your gonna run out most likely. I, when I get a character to higher level, run 70's-78's. A large Spectrum. I have never once run out of maps or got bored because I never do the same map twice in a day (unless i like it a lot, like temple, or residence). You just gotta be more broad with what you run.

Also, self found is definitely doable. Slower, but doable. If anyone needs a build that can function well off of self found just ask me.

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HasuKishi a écrit :

The question is in the title. Why on earth does it seem that trading is so hated?

I hate tradeing because most of people only can say " OFFER " if u ask for the price. They even want offers for some worthless shit like the worst gem in game. It doesnt matter what u offer them they always accept immedialtly if it is for the highest rate or beyond that. In 90% of the case they dont know anything about the values of the item. They think a 6/87 Doryanis Catalyst worth the same like a near perfect or perfect one lol.

The second reason why i hate trading is, if u say a price for your item, most people do not answer. Not a simple "yes or no"