does GGG even ban RMTers

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TheAnuhart a écrit :

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mammii_banned a écrit :

actually the talk with chris was more along the lines of he had heard about the case and didn't want anyone banned until there was a consensus? but someone jumped the gun? This was roughly 8 months ago so some details are a bit foggy. It came down to him not being able to investigate my individual case... even though i could prove it otherwise, he would have to then invest that same amount of time into every other accusation against others to see if they are innocent of actually using money or not...

All in all, it didn't bother me significantly as I still continue to play the game and enjoy myself. Key note for people just tuning in, my original account is still perm banned.


Edit: by him/he... that's him referring to GGG

But it has nothing to do with whether real money is used, or not.

That is the point you refused to even hear.
And it seems you still refuse.

You couldn't prove anything, because you openly admitted and still do, to using FG <-- using external currency.

*bangs head against wall*

That said, if what you said regarding jumping the gun is true, then it really is telling.
The title of the thread asks "does GGG even ban RMTers", as RMTers are strictly equal to FGers in the rule they break 'external currency'. When someone blatantly flaunts their rule breaking on twitch and on these very fora, and continues to do so to an outcry of the denizens.. is eventually banned and it is seen as 'jumping the gun'; it would seem the answer is a resounding 'NO, with the odd slip from an overzealous GGG member'.

I'm assuming at some point GGG might weigh in on this but... he said it wasn't the fact fg was used... it was the fact it takes too much man power to investigate if money was used to buy the fg... so thats why they give a blanket ban on anything thats not ggg currency to ggg currency/items... sad I had to explain it this far bud...

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TheAnuhart a écrit :

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mammii_banned a écrit :

actually the talk with chris was more along the lines of he had heard about the case and didn't want anyone banned until there was a consensus? but someone jumped the gun? This was roughly 8 months ago so some details are a bit foggy. It came down to him not being able to investigate my individual case... even though i could prove it otherwise, he would have to then invest that same amount of time into every other accusation against others to see if they are innocent of actually using money or not...

All in all, it didn't bother me significantly as I still continue to play the game and enjoy myself. Key note for people just tuning in, my original account is still perm banned.


Edit: by him/he... that's him referring to GGG

But it has nothing to do with whether real money is used, or not.

That is the point you refused to even hear.
And it seems you still refuse.

You couldn't prove anything, because you openly admitted and still do, to using FG <-- using external currency.

*bangs head against wall*

That said, if what you said regarding jumping the gun is true, then it really is telling.
The title of the thread asks "does GGG even ban RMTers", as RMTers are strictly equal to FGers in the rule they break 'external currency'. When someone blatantly flaunts their rule breaking on twitch and on these very fora, and continues to do so to an outcry of the denizens.. is eventually banned and it is seen as 'jumping the gun'; it would seem the answer is a resounding 'NO, with the odd slip from an overzealous GGG member'.

I'm assuming at some point GGG might weigh in on this but... he said it wasn't the fact fg was used... it was the fact it takes too much man power to investigate if money was used to buy the fg... so thats why they give a blanket ban on anything thats not ggg currency to ggg currency/items... sad I had to explain it this far bud...

@mammii It's not about if money was used. It's the fact that you can get FG by liquidizing items from other games. It's the same reason trading between leagues is against the rules. GGG is against outside wealth influencing the economy.

It's unfortunate but FG can not be allowed because of that. Even if you got that FG with poe items.

Bring on the self found leagues so we can have a legit ladder for once. It's the only way.

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xxSerpentlordxx a écrit :

Bring on the self found leagues so we can have a legit ladder for once. It's the only way.

GGG has explicitly said they will not consider SFL (and BoA) due to the fact they feel trading is a crucial element of the game.

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Nephalim a écrit :

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xxSerpentlordxx a écrit :

Bring on the self found leagues so we can have a legit ladder for once. It's the only way.

GGG has explicitly said they will not consider SFL (and BoA) due to the fact they feel trading is a crucial element of the game.

GGG has also said that they will consider paid leagues so, who knows? I would pay a small monthly membership fee for a self found server.

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xxSerpentlordxx a écrit :

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Nephalim a écrit :

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xxSerpentlordxx a écrit :

Bring on the self found leagues so we can have a legit ladder for once. It's the only way.

GGG has explicitly said they will not consider SFL (and BoA) due to the fact they feel trading is a crucial element of the game.

GGG has also said that they will consider paid leagues so, who knows? I would pay a small monthly membership fee for a self found server.

Its going to be a lonely place.

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finisterre a écrit :

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Nephalim a écrit :

True but when RMTers utterly dominate in entire server and hold over 10 000 exalts worth of currency in addition to items worth another 10 000, maybe its enough of an economic impact to start playing bad cop.

Indeed. That's why those currency bots should be strictly banned.

The problem with this is that network security consciousness is very high among botters. Since it takes a good amount of network security savvy to create a bot which generates currency and doesn't get caught doing it, you're dealing with people who already know very well what they have to do to stay stealthy and not get picked up on GGG's radar. RMT, especially RMT buyers, however, usually do not fit this mold. After all, if a RMT buyer was savvy enough to make his own bot in order to generate in-game wealth, why would he be purchasing it from another? As such, RMT buyers are much easier to catch mechanically than RMT sellers and botters, and thus give enforcement an easier method to disrupt botting enterprises. After all, if a large number of buyers are caught, then the incentive to buy goes down, RMT sellers see less money, and botters make less money off of their bots.

The problem, I imagine, is that despite it being easier to mechanically catch RMT buyers, it's rather hard to truly convict them. It's not hard to find someone taking an item for free or for cheap, but it's difficult to establish that RMT was the motive, rather than a very stupid trade or a donation.

So although my faith in the practice is waning, in my mind the rationale behind banning RMT has to do with the practical nature of catching botters, namely in being more practical to catch RMT buyers than to catch botters directly, who are skilled at hiding. If this assumption is untrue — that it's easier to catch botters directly than to catch RMT buyers — well, then I don't know how I should feel about it. I see absolutely nothing wrong in one player buying another item from a non-cheating player with real money.

Its going to be a lonely place. [/quote]

Then they ought to at least give us a char select toggle upon creation in game that recognizes that we are self found in regular hardcore and allow us to play in every realm that exists, whichever we roll in and give those who self-find a ladder ranking. They can leave the servers the same as they are this way. How could this request really be too much to ask. Why is hc ladder separate from sc ladder? Why is Nemesis separate from hc. It simply makes sense.

The ladder rankins mean absolutely NOTHING when players are tainting the rankings by using external currencies.

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I see absolutely nothing wrong in one player buying another item from a non-cheating player with real money

It would mean only rmters could compete in a new league because non rmters could not possibly beat a money offer and certainly not with fresh league currency.

legit person A finds a voltaxic in a new league
rmt person B offers 40 dollars
legit person B offers 15 exalts (which may be an impressive amount of the league has yet to be ravaged by botting)

bidding doesn't last very long with person B can offer any arbitrary amount of real world money while person B is limited to what he or she legitimately found in game through savvy trading or good budgeting.

This absolutely destroys the idea of fair and balanced play and turns it into a credit card wielding contest with a chinese and korean rmter winning 99% of the time. This is essentially what happened to standard high end crafting.

Ban even a few high level or well known rmter and publicly announce how much currency they lost and change will sweep the server instantly. How do I know ? The same reason everyone in the top tier knows whose rmting.
GGG has never done this this date. The only well known cases are middling streamers and one person a previous ladder.

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The ladder rankins mean absolutely NOTHING when players are tainting the rankings by using external currencies.

most people at this point dont see rankings as having any worth at this point if you consider the top nemesis runners abused CoD for several weeks or months to vastly outpace players who didnt use that.

its the same for excessive rmting when maps were more expensive.