Is PoE Pay to win?

Not even a little. Def give it a try OP

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krassi3000 a écrit :

i hope theyll make a burning cat

that would be one hot pussy...

...you know you all were thinking it.

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hellcatq a écrit :

Nonsense, every game that exists is pay to win. Sure it would be against the rules, but I'd be willing to bet that I could get a pretty nice set of gear by posting a 25,000$ reward for it on a non official web site. Someone would go farm it for me rules or not- I assure you. Oddly enough many idiots will pay even more than that as the last game I played there were several top tier players who spent in excess of 100k. Suppose not everyone is poor in real life.

That said largely this game combats pay to win fairly well and is least ptw than a majority of it's competition.

Your arguments may be valid, but that's just not what people usually mean when they ask if a game is pay to win. They want to know if the itemshop contains items that make your charakter stronger and if the game is designed so you're "(soft)forced" into that item shop. And this is clearly not the case here.

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_Lightshard_ a écrit :

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Yogabba a écrit :

Not even close.

+1

PoE cant be more far away from Pay2Win as it is.

oh, in theory it's not, and certainly GGG is attempting to make it such a game, but in practice it absolutely is.

unless you want to spend your whole life trading. because that's of course why people play a game, so they can trade all the time.

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plasticeyes a écrit :

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_Lightshard_ a écrit :

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Yogabba a écrit :

Not even close.

+1

PoE cant be more far away from Pay2Win as it is.

oh, in theory it's not, and certainly GGG is attempting to make it such a game, but in practice it absolutely is.

unless you want to spend your whole life trading. because that's of course why people play a game, so they can trade all the time.

What are you talking about?

Unless people are spending real money on stuff that affects character power, it's not pay to win. Time investment is not anything to do with pay to win.

It may be the case that people are paying real money for stuff outside of the officially supported practices, but the game itself does not in any way support pay to win. The best possible argument you could make to the contrary is that you have to buy stash tabs, but even those can be managed with multiple accounts.

Pay to win has a very narrow definition - do the mechanics of the game support practices where you can spend real world money to directly increase the strength of your character. You can extend that to any practices that aren't officially supported but are commonly used regardless. PoE doesn't fall into either category in any way.

Diablo 3 , RMAH ( real money auction house ) = PAY TO WIN . Blizzard are just greedy so they cut out the middle man ( 3rd party sites ) and did it themselves. Didnt that fail, seemed liked not many actually wanted a rmah !

So ,infact, DIABLO 3 IS PTW....
Poe is NOT ptw whatsoever.

Ive given GGG upwards of 200 bucks on stash. IN NO WAY IS EXTRA STASH SPACE CHEATING. You guys got to get that out of your thick heads.

How does more stash allow me to kill piety any quicker??
My extra stash tabs dont just magically materialize extra orbs overnight.
Extra tabs are just a QOL option. I could go make 50 mules like others have mentioned that serve EXACTLY THE SAME purpose, but why bother. Saves me time .

Buying stronger armor/weapons or companions with real money is cheating.Plain and simple.
All it means is you, as a player , are not very skilled at overcoming the odds the game has presented for you to overcome, so you must rely on a " gear " check to help you beat it.....
Its sad but true.

And to all the guys that do use real money to win. How do you justify it to yourselves?
Do you feel good when you beat the boss knowing that you cheated? Does it not bother you that you had to cheat to get to where you are ?

I mean, at the end of the day, what exactly is the point to continue playing when you just bought the best items in the game???

Bullshit, D3 is not P2W. Sure you could outright buy items with real money, but it wasn't necessary to do so. It was only necessary if you wanted to win the epeen battle. That's not to say you could faceroll MP10 content on self-found gear, you needed to do a lot of flipping in order to amass the "wealth" to make it happen, but it was doable. It's not different than the mentality of trading for endgame items here. The only difference is Blizzard streamlined it, taking a lot of the guesswork out of it. We demanded better drops/drop rates, and less of a focus on the auction house. What we got was "loot 2.0" and the auction house's removal. Sure it took a couple years to get there, but if the loot is anything close to what it's like on the console version, sign me up!

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psyonix a écrit :

Bullshit, D3 is not P2W. Sure you could outright buy items with real money, but it wasn't necessary to do so. It was only necessary if you wanted to win the epeen battle. That's not to say you could faceroll MP10 content on self-found gear, you needed to do a lot of flipping in order to amass the "wealth" to make it happen, but it was doable. It's not different than the mentality of trading for endgame items here. The only difference is Blizzard streamlined it, taking a lot of the guesswork out of it. We demanded better drops/drop rates, and less of a focus on the auction house. What we got was "loot 2.0" and the auction house's removal. Sure it took a couple years to get there, but if the loot is anything close to what it's like on the console version, sign me up!

Now this is just adorable.

People still confusing "Real Money Trading" with "Pay to Win". These are very different ideas. In a Pay to Win game, you pay the game developer to progress in their game... the game is typically designed around forcing you to pay.

In a game with Real Money Trading, players buy items in game from each other for real money. That happens here, but is not allowed.

The two get mixed up because people are short sighted. In one system, the developers are actively working to get you to pay money by design. In the other, it's just cheating to get items quicker than would normally happen through trade/play. If you can tell which is which, you understand that these are different. If you can't tell which is which... I can't help you.

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Shagsbeard a écrit :

People still confusing "Real Money Trading" with "Pay to Win". These are very different ideas. In a Pay to Win game, you pay the game developer to progress in their game... the game is typically designed around forcing you to pay.

In a game with Real Money Trading, players buy items in game from each other for real money. That happens here, but is not allowed.

The two get mixed up because people are short sighted. In one system, the developers are actively working to get you to pay money by design. In the other, it's just cheating to get items quicker than would normally happen through trade/play. If you can tell which is which, you understand that these are different. If you can't tell which is which... I can't help you.

Agreed