Elemental damage completely dominates this game, physical remains useless

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allbusiness a écrit :
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Moosifer a écrit :
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allbusiness a écrit :
You need absolutely supreme gear like Moosifer said.


I did? No I said that at the highest levels both are equal. My old comment was you need to hit the jackpot to find a physical weapon that can match an elemental one.

Look, the problem with physical damage is it's all or nothing. Help out mid tier rolls and people will have a much easier transition.



It's all in or nothing as you said, if you get a godly weapon your physical build can actually out dps an elemental build. The issue lies in two parts; one, the physical build typically struggles with survivability. Two, as you said, you need a baller weapon to keep up.


Prove it with math or your statement means jack shit.

Edit: furthermore, we are only talking about PURE PHYSICAL builds, no elemental damage whatsoever.
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Dernière édition par mazul#2568, le 13 mai 2013 à 08:30:04
Yes but I said nothing about needing godly gear to keep up with reflect. I was doing 20k DPS w/ a marohi in CB, invalesco was doing 30k flickers. While he was probably smart and switched another skill when he saw physical reflect, if I was on a reflect map going against a reflect rare I barreled forward like he was any other mob. I could actually handle the reflect in my MF gear.

I don't conquer challenges by avoiding them like most people do. I charge face first into the brick wall until it gives up (or my face can't take it anymore which is how I came to the conclusion mana sucks)
Finished 17th in Rampage - Peaked at 11th
Finished 18th in Torment/Bloodline 1mo Race - peaked at 9th
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Summon Skeleton 1.3 - https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1219856
Played physical builds until two days ago, now I have a FP Templar already almost in merciless, completely dominating the game.

Not sure why physical damage even exists except for conversion to elemental...
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I use a frenzy/split arrow ranger and I think it's ok I use auras though mostly hatred and added fire damage, because they benefit the most from my high ad. I'm lvl 75. Most physical builds are not viable though. The only way to buff physical would be nerfing elemental to the ground since some elemental skills snowball from physical. I don't want to see that in games current state. Look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va845_DOTXg this is how closed beta endgame looked. Now look back at our endgame. Now look back at this guy with his skills and eq. Now back to us. I'm on a horse.
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mazul a écrit :
Prove it with math or your statement means jack shit.

Edit: furthermore, we are only talking about PURE PHYSICAL builds, no elemental damage whatsoever.


Can people get over this polarizing shit. The game currently doesn't have pure physical, it has partial conversion, full conversion or elemental. If you aren't going at least partial conversion than you are gimping yourself to prove a point. Whether that's good or not, let's talk in the context of this game and not how people imagine it should be. This same crap comes up when talking about melee skills "GS and LS don't count because they are ranged skills." Just stop already.
Finished 17th in Rampage - Peaked at 11th
Finished 18th in Torment/Bloodline 1mo Race - peaked at 9th
Null's Inclination Build 2.1.0 - https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1559063
Summon Skeleton 1.3 - https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1219856
As someone has said, Invalesco understands it... but he doesn't understand the problem or that there is one.
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Dernière édition par Freeslana#1251, le 13 mai 2013 à 09:59:03
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Moosifer a écrit :
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mazul a écrit :
Prove it with math or your statement means jack shit.

Edit: furthermore, we are only talking about PURE PHYSICAL builds, no elemental damage whatsoever.


Can people get over this polarizing shit. The game currently doesn't have pure physical, it has partial conversion, full conversion or elemental. If you aren't going at least partial conversion than you are gimping yourself to prove a point. Whether that's good or not, let's talk in the context of this game and not how people imagine it should be. This same crap comes up when talking about melee skills "GS and LS don't count because they are ranged skills." Just stop already.



LS, in the way it is used, is not a melee skill according to the game's own terminology, that's why the projectiles do not receive any bonus from "melee" nodes.

Ground slam is a fully melee skill according to the game's own terminology, but it is arguably not "melee" in general language: it's range is large. Woud be considered a "midrange" skill in general terminology, but the game uses a different terminology.

The thread is about how pure physical damage builds are completely dominated by pure elemental builds. Some do not think this is a problem, but other people do.
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I've tried going the physical route on my Ranger. Tried a Frenzy/SplitArrow/RoA build centered on physical damage, with AFD and Hatred as my other source of damage.

My damage was pitiful even with a 205 phys bow with 1.3 APS (3k with Frenzy, 1.6k RoA, 1k Split). So I decided to take Point Blank/Iron Grip, only to realize I don't have enough passives in life to play a PB character. (lvl 67 with 2.8k ish HP) At that point I scrapped the character and decided to make a LA/ele ranger. Worlds apart even if my bow isn't the best. (same bow from before) Burning Arrow does 4.5k DPS and LA does 2k damage with 4k life. No comparison.
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Dernière édition par Islidox#7754, le 13 mai 2013 à 11:55:39
People calling physical builds fine tend to think a build that does 75% of its damage as elemental is actually a physical build. If a build uses Hatred, Added Fire Damage and Weapon Elemental Damage, it's not a physical build. Even if you use a weapon with high physical damage, it's an elemental conversion build.

Name a competitively viable build that actually does more than half of its damage as physical. This rules out the use of Hatred+AddedFire, they add more than 50% by themselves. I can't think of a single build that's predominantly physical -- and no, you can't take a Hatred+Fire build and just remove those two skills and call it a valid physical build.

Elemental damage dominates every aspect of this game. Even the builds that are generally considered physical are actually more elemental than physical. Elemental damage is better in every conceivable way, right down to having better curses and auras, and even being much easier to gear and build for.

There's no support gem with +75% physical damage, there's no passive node with +30% physical damage, there's no aura that adds several hundred flat physical damage. Everything good in this game is or pertains to elemental damage.
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Jakabov a écrit :
People calling physical builds fine tend to think a build that does 75% of its damage as elemental is actually a physical build. If a build uses Hatred, Added Fire Damage and Weapon Elemental Damage, it's not a physical build. Even if you use a weapon with high physical damage, it's an elemental conversion build.

Name a competitively viable build that actually does more than half of its damage as physical. This rules out the use of Hatred+AddedFire, they add more than 50% by themselves. I can't think of a single build that's predominantly physical -- and no, you can't take a Hatred+Fire build and just remove those two skills and call it a valid physical build.

Elemental damage dominates every aspect of this game. Even the builds that are generally considered physical are actually more elemental than physical. Elemental damage is better in every conceivable way, right down to having better curses and auras, and even being much easier to gear and build for.

There's no support gem with +75% physical damage, there's no passive node with +30% physical damage, there's no aura that adds several hundred flat physical damage. Everything good in this game is or pertains to elemental damage.


Exactly my point too!
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