Enough With the D3 vs PoE Beta

I'm not talking end-game. I'm talking hardcore, be that insanely brutal pvp or the loss of gear or permanent death (which might not exist in PoE but most hardcore players consider Default to be hell, so that makes sense).

End-game D3, and let's go purely off what that silly video revealed, is 'going to have players bashing their heads against it for weeks.' That's not my idea of hardcore. At all. Difficult? Sure. Challenging? No doubt. But 'hardcore' in the typical sense semi-defined above? Not really.

Don't leap to the defence if there was no offence made, Tagek.

Besides, of course I don't know -- that's why I'd wager on it. If I knew, it wouldn't be a wager. It'd be a free win.

And that's not very hardcore either. ;)

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But here I see you're answering my last sentence -- I wish you'd somehow highlighted this fact. That old chestnut. Really? 140 pages and you STILL think you can bring a different outcome to our discussion on skill progression and builds in D3? Really?!

I was talking about sub-optimal builds. :)
I know I can't change your opinion, but making a statement like that when the game isn't out simply doesn't make a whole lot of sense, regardless of whether or not you'll play the game.

As for hardcore, there will be 100% guaranteed permanent death, and they haven't decided yet whether or not your gear will be dropped anywhere (be that in arena or just while questing).
But yeah, it won't offer anything like cut-throat.

sorry tagek, it makes perfect sense. he said "i'd wager". he was clearly admitting he doesn't yet know, but would be willing to bet. that is not assuming information at all.

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digibucc a écrit :

sorry tagek, it makes perfect sense. he said "i'd wager". he was clearly admitting he doesn't yet know, but would be willing to bet. that is not assuming information at all.

No, I was referring to 'It's virtually impossible to play sub-optimal in D3 without it tilting into the realm of the ridiculous, which is the opposite of 'interesting' to me.'

Which is an assumption based on nothing but beta content.

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ZtriDer a écrit :

D3 is "Diablo light for the dumb".

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ZtriDer a écrit :

Diablo 3 is a hole new game and not a successor. Had Diablo 3 been released under an other name and just as an other ARPG game, then I would probably have bought it, but as a Diablo 3 successor I find it a disaster and wont pay 60 euro for it.
It is all about money and not about staying true to Diablo or trying to make the best Diablo game. They are trying to make the game that will bring in the most money, and that is a game that the casual masses can play without having to think or make decisions.

You Sir deserve some bubbles and if this forum had this option I would surely give u some, anyway well said +1

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Tagek a écrit :

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CharanJaydemyr a écrit :

I'd wager Cut Throat and Cut Throat hardcore are more a traditional idea of 'hardcore' than most of what D3 has to offer. But before I experienced Cut-Throat, PoE was basically just a slightly harder D3/D2 to me. Keeping in mind I play sub-optimals, half for the challenge and half because I'm used to using them to keep things interesting to myself.

It's virtually impossible to play sub-optimal in D3 without it tilting into the realm of the ridiculous, which is the opposite of 'interesting' to me.

Well the thing is, you don't know that yet.
You can't really make a statement about builds when the game isn't even out.
I know I know, early game and all that, but still, you don't know what the endgame will look like. :P

I'm curious how you believe the D3 character customization will allow players to build a range of characters from a 'bad build' to a 'great build' and everything inbetween.

From what I've seen the only builds that really exist are 'the flavor of the month exploit' and 'everything else'.

I'm truly curious.

D3 doesnt focus on bad builds or super builds @zeto its about different, interesting and viable builds sure you can make small mistakes choosing a skill or passive and if you play HC you will pay it the most, its a different aproach. The room for mistakes is probably in the choose of the gear.

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Erevos a écrit :

D3 doesnt focus on bad builds or super builds @zeto its about different, interesting and viable builds sure you can make small mistakes choosing a skill or passive and if you play HC you will pay it the most, its a different aproach. The room for mistakes is probably in the choose of the gear.

So there will be no difference between characters of an equal level except for the gear. Boy, this sure sounds an awful lot like WOW!

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The build options in D3 are actually FAR larger than they ever were in D2. You just aren't tied to them now.

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Tagek a écrit :

There wasn't in diablo either.

Sure, you had to spend about 5 hours making a new character, but after that it was a matter of taking 10 seconds to switch to that new char.

umm no they could be similar but really I never followed an optimal build guide, just trail and error. It also takes more then 5 hours to build a character.