The 4 stash tab that free to players get is just not enough anymore.

Wut, why are people so entitled nowadays? the game is a throwback to the old diablo games,
did you pick up every single item in diablo 2 and shoved it in your stash?

hell no, be resourceful jesus, 4 tabs is so generous of them. so god damn easy to get to lvl 90 with 4 tabs,
1 for currency,
1 for maps,
95% of divination cards are fluff that are just fun to collect for the heck of 'oh i might get 6/6 at some point" if you dont have room, dont pick them up.

Do you need every unique that drops? no, in fact you might as well vendor a majority of them cause they'll sell for max 1 alch.

Do you need every skill gem you see on the floor? no, majority you can buy super cheaply from NPC's even

this leaves 2 damn stash tabs to fill up with +30 gear items each, and thats me counting from a stash that has 7 2H big items in it.

your character needs 10 items to be fully geared, how is this not enough?

heck use 1 for replacement gear.

that leaves you 1 for trading expensive +10c items.

Do you want to sell every trash item for 1alch you pick up as a hobby? Yeah okay you probably want to pay for stash tabs then.

Do you need to sell every trash item for 1alch to beat the shaper? no, you dont.

do like the rest of us and hope for exalts, save up chaos and items/div cards that sell for a ton.

i played for 4 years before i paid GGG, and i did it gladly cause there was no way i could avoid the fact that they had given me months of combined time of entertainment.

-Did not plan for this being an essay, but apparently it takes a lot to explain it in every detail so ANYONE would understand. who knew.

if you're given a free hotdog, you dont tell the person offering the free hotdog, that the hotdog isnt good enough cause it doesnt have enough free stash tabs, you say thanks man.

thats how analogies work right?

You are missing one simple point - GGG has become more greedy. IF they had decided 4 tabs for free was ethical and fair why now that they've added SO MUCH more items, cards, maps, essences... to their game they still think 4 tabs for free is fair? It is not a matter of the price of a tab it is a matter of their attitude towards the players.

I like the colorful post @Super_Tree, but honestly - did you try actually playing with 4 tabs?
I have. for almost 3 years. maybe more. I'm old and senile.

mules are a fkn pain. currency is a fkn pain. maps are a fkn pain. 2-handers are a fkn pain. gems were a fkn pain when they were drop-only. I was storing them inside items which means also jeweling and chroming stuff I didn't use...
putting things into crafting benches and Guild Stash...

But you know, at least there were no essences and cards at first. no fragments. no jewels. no Breach fragments. no Abyss jewels... no Delve fuel crystals and socketable currency...

ignore essences and cards? the stuff which - at least theoretically - can give you items that you need?

So I bought tabs. lots of them. currency. premium. quad. essences.
so many that most of the points from the Supporter Packs I'm hiding now, went into tabs.
now I can actually play the game.
Honestly, all those points could have been invested in making my char look badass, my hideout look prettier, and my portals look cooler. and I'd buy some pets too. pets are great.

Tabs are no ethical MTX. and they are not "why u no support GGG and eat free hotdogs?" because actual ethical MTX exist for those who want to truly, genuinely support.

And I suggest people here who were buying tabs before even booting up the game for the first time, to stop talking out of their ass about how 4 tabs are enough.
it was barely enough in 1.0

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csabijo a écrit :

as the title says. been playing this game for a long time as every exp comes out every new league, items just increase over and over I am poor I can't buy stash tabs my 4 stash tabs cant hold even 5% of the items in the game anymore. trading is hard since if i keep putting good items in my stash at some point space will run out i get another item i can't put it in stash anymore i either have to delete on my old chars and hold it in his inventory or finally break my moral code and just create a dummy account to hold the items for me witch i repeat i never did so far now that i think for new players this would be super hard since they don't know what items are good to pick up and keep :/ my point is 4 stash tab is just impossible to live with it as free to player

Spoiler

i am not trolling

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2200442

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Garfunkel a écrit :

You are missing one simple point - GGG has become more greedy. IF they had decided 4 tabs for free was ethical and fair why now that they've added SO MUCH more items, cards, maps, essences... to their game they still think 4 tabs for free is fair? It is not a matter of the price of a tab it is a matter of their attitude towards the players.

Yeah, how dare they give us all this free content to whine about not paying for.

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Garfunkel a écrit :

You are missing one simple point - GGG has become more greedy. IF they had decided 4 tabs for free was ethical and fair why now that they've added SO MUCH more items, cards, maps, essences... to their game they still think 4 tabs for free is fair? It is not a matter of the price of a tab it is a matter of their attitude towards the players.

Answer me this: how much of that new stuff do you actually need to store?

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johnKeys a écrit :

2-handers are a fkn pain

How many 2-handers do you need to play the game?

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johnKeys a écrit :

gems are a fkn pain. I was storing them inside items which means also jeweling and chroming stuff I didn't use...

Why are you hoarding them? Almost all skill gems can be bought from vendors now.

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johnKeys a écrit :

But you know, at least there were no essences and cards at first. and no fragments. and no jewels. and no Abyss jewels...
ignore essences and cards? the stuff which - at least theoretically - can give you items that you need? are you out of your mind?

You mean things like these?

Mostly gives some useless low-level basetype, and even if it gives a good basetype it has like +20 life on it. If I had to play with four tabs those would all go to trash.
So useful. It's probably not the gem you needed anyway. Besides which leveling a gem from 1 to 19 takes like 10 hours of mapping if you're kinda slow like me.
I'm sure these will give me <insert current meta unique>. Not.
Because I don't have enough starter wands yet.
A full stack of these is basically worth one alch.
I guess it takes up less space than storing two-stone rings for the vendor recipe.
Who would want a flask with 0% quality? It would likely be a small life flask or something anyway.
Because master-crafted mods are so powerful.

The thing with essences is that there's 24 different types (+ remnant of corruption) and only a few are useful for any given build. Also the lower tiers are not really useful after the start of a league and are best used turning white items rare for chaos recipe. You'll need maybe 15-20 slots for the types that are actually useful for your character.

How many jewels and abyss jewels do you need anyway? You can craft them you know. Throw away the bad ones except for 2-3 of each type to use as crafting bases.

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databeaver a écrit :

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Garfunkel a écrit :

You are missing one simple point - GGG has become more greedy. IF they had decided 4 tabs for free was ethical and fair why now that they've added SO MUCH more items, cards, maps, essences... to their game they still think 4 tabs for free is fair? It is not a matter of the price of a tab it is a matter of their attitude towards the players.

Answer me this: how much of that new stuff do you actually need to store?

So why is all that stuff even in PoE if nobody would actually want to store it? :) Or you suppose that those who use only 4 free tabs should not want to store the stuff that all other players want to?

I don't speak for myself (I personally have 24 tabs , 4 premium, map tab, cards, essence, currency tabs..) but for a new player who knows very little about PoE for them it is hard to decide what is worth keeping. For example, Lifesprig div cards could be very useful for a new player.

Do you really think that adding, for example, 1 free premium tab would hurt GGG income in any significant way? It would be even profitable for them cos many players would not quit playing PoE because of the hustle with stash tetris-management, trade chat spamming, having to use cumbersome trade mechanics they will actually start playing PoE and see that trading is acutally easy and then will buy more tabs. That is how I see it.

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Garfunkel a écrit :

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databeaver a écrit :

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Garfunkel a écrit :

You are missing one simple point - GGG has become more greedy. IF they had decided 4 tabs for free was ethical and fair why now that they've added SO MUCH more items, cards, maps, essences... to their game they still think 4 tabs for free is fair? It is not a matter of the price of a tab it is a matter of their attitude towards the players.

Answer me this: how much of that new stuff do you actually need to store?

So why is all that stuff even in PoE if nobody would actually want to store it? :) Or you suppose that those who use only 4 free tabs should not want to store the stuff that all other players want to?

They are pointing out that good players do not want that stuff because it is not useful in the vast majority of cases. That isnt to say its NEVER useful, and why it needs to remain in the game.

But what if you want to sell items? Look at the enhanced corruption possibilities now. Are players REALLY expected to corrupt items into something they want? Or were those 0.3% and 1.4% vaal outcomes designed with the market in mind. Obviously, they were designed with buying/selling in mind.

So how do you afford that perfectly vaaled item that you want? By selling items of your own. But you've only got 4 stash tabs, and none of them are public. STOP ALL THE LIES. YOU CAN'T PLAY THIS GAME FULLY WITHOUT SPENDING $$$$$

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BearCares a écrit :

But what if you want to sell items? Look at the enhanced corruption possibilities now. Are players REALLY expected to corrupt items into something they want? Or were those 0.3% and 1.4% vaal outcomes designed with the market in mind. Obviously, they were designed with buying/selling in mind.

So how do you afford that perfectly vaaled item that you want? By selling items of your own. But you've only got 4 stash tabs, and none of them are public. STOP ALL THE LIES. YOU CAN'T PLAY THIS GAME FULLY WITHOUT SPENDING $$$$$

Create an alt account, gives 4 more free tabs. Google "Aquisition", its a small program that allows you to easily list, price, and organize your storage for sale on poe.trade. Its actually superior to premium tabs in all ways EXCEPT you have to alt tab to it.

Boom, now you have free sales tabs and an easy way to list items for sale.
We played this game for many years without public tabs...and 4 tabs + 12 chars for storage is doable, especially with an alt account for sales.


While tabs are easily the biggest advantage of MTX available, and i suggest anyone who wants to drop a few bucks buys a couple premium tabs first to make it more convenient....they are not mandatory.
sooooo


STOP THE DRAMA!, YOU CAN PLAY THIS GAME FULLY WITHOUT SPENDING $$$